Lloyd_Carew-Reid_Speaking For Justice in New York
 




Lloyd Carew-Reid speaking out at a Public Justice and Truth rally has in the past been asked to campaign
to be the Lord Mayor of News York because he is interested in the rights of the ordinary American Citizen
is now being requested by his million of twitter followers from around the world to put himself up for to be the next American President
..Lloyd Carew-Reid's answer is..".. I am just a little guy you campaigning for truth and justice in my local area and I will leave the running America to Mr Wijat  and  His WIJAT Team..."

                                                              


Mr Wijat and His WIJAT Team also speaking out for Truth Justice and the True American Way





Above Len Buckeridge who with the sanction and approval of the Western Australian Government and Police committed many criminal offence against Stephen Carew-Reid and his family ....

Len Buckeridge has the Green Light to commit any crimes he wanted...


  The Nuisance Koala Bear     V 

The Queen, Elizabeth II of England-Part One, Introduction

 

Queen Elizabeth II’s rogue Australian Agents order another set of false trumped up charges to be served on the Nuisance Koala Bear….as part  of the overall aim to silence the Nuisance Koala Bear  by having a corrupt judge acting as agent for Queen Elizabeth II  to make a wrongful order to send the Nuisance Koala Bear to a mental hospital, where a corrupt government doctor acting as agent for Queen Elizabeth II, can wrongfully label the Nuisance Koala Bear as a delusional bear, who is mentally insane believing that Queen Elizabeth II  and her rogue Australian agents are wrongfully out to get the Nuisance Koala Bear, which in fact they really are …. instead of giving the Nuisance Koala Bear a trial, where the Nuisance Koala Bear can have the false charges exposed, and force all the Nuisance Koala Bear’s  accusers to be cross examined on the witness stand ..and have a chance to prove his innocence…a comment to an Irish Printer was made saying that.. if you write a book or issue a damaging court claim alleging criminal type behavior by the Queen of  England or the  Queens Prime Minister, or their agents, and you live in the United Kingdom, you are likely to be quietly murdered by the Queen’s private security firms MI5 and MI6 … as the late Thomas Graham Allwood was murdered in June 2012 in Scotland by MI5 and/or MI6 agents, one month before a criminal contempt application filed by the Late Thomas Graham Allwood, the Nuisance Koala Bear and the INL News Group, against the Prime Minister of  England, David Cameron, the Chancellor of  England George Osborne, the UK Home Office, the UK Border Agency, the UK Treasury Solicitors for orders that they be imprisoned for being involved with preparing and presenting a false and fraudulent UK Border  Agency Document to powerful Freemason Master Bowles in the High Court of Justice, as a basis to have a  £500 million  damages claim struck out, that was to be heard in London by Justice Vos in the High Court of Justice.. MI5 and MI6 issued what is called a “D  Notice” to all major news groups around the  world, to stop them from publicizing the murder of the Late Thomas Graham Allwood in Broxburn  Scotland in June 2012.. the prosecutions and the police refused to re-open the murder investigation on receiving a 300 page INL News Investigation Report into the murder of the Late Thomas Graham Allwood… The Scottish aProsecution say the file is firmly closed, and never to be reopened…

 

Any action and every civil and/or criminal court action taken out and/or defended in Australia and the United Kingdom (comprising as at 2014: England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland) by the police, prosecution, parliament, courts and any other forms of government and semi government agencies is done in the name of the Queen Elizabeth II of England (and any past or future king or queen of England), have and are done as authorized agents of Queen Elizabeth II of England. So if any of the Queen's agents, servants, representatives, contractors or otherwise act in a wrongful immoral, unjust and or illegal way the Queen or King of England along with the local government authority that act in a wrongfully way, are jointly and severally liable for any damages caused, and are fully responsible to rectify such actions and  are jointly and severally liable to pay the damages for such actions. In Australia and the United Kingdom, the Queens's (or Kings’) agents have clearly and undisputedly gone rogue, and have on many occasions wrongly, unjustly, immorally and illegally used the power the Queen ( or King) has given them and are continuing in such  wrongful, unjust, immoral and illegal ways.

Please read “…The Nuisance Koala V The Queen, Elizabeth, II England ..” and please also read  “…The Nuisance but Lovable Koala that could not fit ‘On The Square'..”  and  “The Crucifixion of the Nuisance Koala Bear”…. to find out who, when and why, The Nuisance Koala Bear is suing ‘The Queen, Elizabeth, II England  and her agents, representatives, servants, contractors or otherwise’ for £1 billion in pounds in the High Court of England….

  

The Nuisance Koala Bear  v The Queen, Elizabeth II of England  is a story full of suspense, humor, pathos and Irony .....

by Steven Wijat more commonly known as 'Mr Wijat'


and His Team,

  ERF The Worm    Al Wijat   Marvelous Marvin 

        Working for Truth, Justice and the Australian and Irish Way

 

“..The Nuisance Koala V The Queen, Elizabeth, II England ..”

“…The book that wrote itself … the Nuisance Koala Bear just carried on as normal, in his normal activities as a “Nuisance Koala Bear”
and the events just played out as described in this book ….   this book is not in any way fiction …..  believe it or not  ….
 the events as described in this book all really happened involving the people and organizations that were involved in such events
 that have played out over this last 60 odd years in the life the Nuisance Koala Bear …”

Published by  INL News Publishing,15 Home Street Edinburgh EH3 9JR  

Tel: 0053(0) 83448676 - Email: inlnews@aol.co.uk  Web: INLNews.com. INLNews.ws. AWN.bz, IrishWeeklynews.com, USAWeekendNews.com

Other books written by Steven Wijat: All enquiries for publishing, film and play rights to:

Email : nuisancekoala@gmail.com  or   to: inlnews@aol.co.uk.

If you want to be on the waiting list for collectors copies of any of these books written by  Steven Wijat  -

Other books written by Steven Wijat

1. My Life is stranger than fiction;2. Who really organized the murder of Thomas Graham Allwood and why?;

3. Murder, Fraud and Scull-duggery over Haywicks Farm, Haywicks Lane;

4. Nightmare in Garratt Close -Beddington, Surrey, London;

5. Lord Patrick Hodge, the English Wolf, Posing as a Scottish Lamb;

6. The Australian Media Conspiracy;7
. Keystone Cops, Shady Lenders, Fraudulent Receiver Managers and Corporate Cowboys in the Gold Coast;
8. Who Really Runs the World and Why?;9. My Years as Perth's Italian Godfather's 'Little Mate;

10..The Nuisance but Lovable Koala ....         that could not fit 'on the Square';

11. The Crucifixion of the Nuisance Koala

12. The Nuisance Koala Bear  v The Queen, Elizabeth II of England  

 Please put your name down on the waiting list for a collector’s edition of.....
The Australian Media Conspiracy and the other books written by Steven  Wijat

 Email: inlnews@aol.co.uk





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http://usaweekendnews.com/TriumphOfTruthBookStolen.html

Atention Sue Simmons, Editor of the Austalian Weekend News
Re: Discussions on Wikipedia  the removal from Wikipedia of the article

Triumph of Truth (Who s Watching The Watchers?)
has been speedily deleted from Wikipedia.


Hi 
I read !
When I saw your last comment  on
http://australianweekendnews.info/InvestigativeNews.html
I was laughing. and found my  comment I was surprised.
Can you imagine Wikipedian's face when they will see the page ? 
Really they don't exist in a real world most of them. May be only one is existing under the shade of big gum tree.
Their thought most of them especially three tenor of WA ( their tone is quite hi note) is not journalist, doesn't think any thing just have a dip in lukewarm water and  think themselves are some special privileged classes.

many thanks for placing my  comment in the Australian Weekend News

kindest regards

Mary McDonald,
helping to watch the watchers




The Seven Volumes of Triumph of Truth (Who's Watching The Watchers?) who were purchased by the Western Australia Alexander Resource Library with public money during the years 1988 and 1992 and cateloged into the the library's computer for about three year myseriously completely disappeared from the Library and from the Libray's computer sysyem as though they never existed... and in the year 2005, Senior Detectives Sergent Gregory Stormont and Barry Zerner, on behalf of the Queensland Police Force and the Queensland Government, which have  historically been controlled by the Freemasons since the beginning of Federation in Australia, stole the original manuscripts of  the Seven Volumes of Triumph of Truth (Who's Watching The Watchers?) from 6 Earl Court Tallai, known as the Hollywood Hills of the Gold Coast in Queensland, even signing a receipt for them, which International News Limited, the owners of the publisher the Australian Weekend News, has a copy of such receipt....constant requests to the Premier of Queensland, The Atorney of Queensland, the Police Commissioner of Queensland, the Prime Minister of Australia and to Detective Sergent Gregory Storemont himself for the return of thesse original manusripts since 2005 have been ignored.. International News Limited through its Australian owned publisher the Austalian Weekend News is about to issue a Supreme Court legal action for in excess of $100 million in damages for the loss of these books since the year 2005, as in 2005 at the time they had been stolen, they were about to be made into a series of films,TV series, plays, short stories, legal training books, a cartoon series staring Mr Wijat and Mr Wijat's Team Fighting For Truth Justice and the Australian Way up against The Monster Gang.
 Mr Wijat and Mr Wijat's Team and the Monster Gang are the cartoon characters created by the author Stephen Carew-Reid that resemble some of the real characters in the series of books "Triumph of Truth (Who's Watching The Watchers?)

Fermin Juan Astiz Diaz has kindly translated the words 

Who's Watching The Watchers into Spanish

Quien Esta Viendo A Los Observadores?

Australian Weekend News
Meet Mr Wijat's team working for Truth, Justice & the Australian Way


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Stephen Carew-Reid, during the 1980's and 1990's  while fighting serius and indemic corruption in the
the Western Australian Legal, Political, Public Trustee, Police, Prosecution, Judicial, Court and business sytem, he took over ownership the 100 year old Western Australian newspaper masthead, the Weekend News, which had been closed by the Western Australian Newspaper Group because Bob Baxt, the in the late 1980's and early 1990's told the Western Australian Newspaper Group that it could no longer own both the morning newspaper, The West Australian, the afternoon newspaper, The Daily News and the other weeken paper, which was the Friday Edition of the Daily News,as this was considered a monopoly. For many years since then, the owners of the Western Australian Newspaper Group, billionaire businessman Robert Homes a Court, who sold to the Western Australian Newspaper Group to contraversial famous billionaire businessman Allan Bond, had the Western Australian Newspaper Group wharehouse the Daily News and the Weekend News, by having a friendly businessman run these newspapers for them, falsely pretending that the Daily and Weekend News had been sold. When in fact it they had not been sold, and Robert Homesa Court and Allan Bond paid business friends to run these two newspapers for them. In fact Allan Bond lent Brian Coppin $10 million on a loan that never was paid back to wharehouse the Daily and Weekend News for Allan Bind and deloberately run them at a loss each year tro it would look like the second and third newspapers arer not making money to frighten anyone from thinking about starting another newspaper in Western Australia. This preserving the over $200 million the Western Australian Newspaper Group has historically made each year form the six day a week West Australian morning newspaper.
Stephen Carew-Reid created the cartoon Charcters
Mr Wijat and His Team, ERF The Worm, Al Wijat and Marvin The Marvelous to publicise in cartoon form, the serious corruption he was fighting in Western Australia, in the Australian Weekend News. Stephen Carew-Reid renamed The Weekend News to The Australian Weekend News, to make the newspaper into an Australia Wide Newspaper published in all states of Australia, rather than just Western Australia as it had been for over 100 years, before the Western Australian Newspaper Group wrongly and fraudulently closed it and put thousands of jouralists and other workers out of work.
This was done before Stephen Carew-Reid wrote and the books
 "Triumph of Truth (Who's Watching The Watchers?).
Many of these editions of the Weekend News have been recorded and kept in the archive at the Western Australian Alexander Resource Libary..the samed libray that purchaseed all seven volumes of about 500 pages each of  "Triumph of Truth (Who's Watching The Watchers?), which the Western Australian Crown Law Department without any court order or official authority or any court action being taken against Stephen Carew-Reid, came in one day, off the record, and demanded to the library that these boomks be destroyed in the shredder and taken off the libray computer, so that it would appear that they never ever existed in the first place..
The plan by the Western Australian authorities and the powerful judges, magistrates, bsuiness people, lawyers and barristers, senior public trustee empolyees, senior public prosecutors, senior court staff, senior police and others, was to either have Stephen Carew-Reid murdered and/or sent to Graylands Mental Instition  and declared permanently insane and then have him die of an accidental overdose of drugs one night in the mental institution..
That way Stephen Carew-Reid would not be around to complain and/or 
bring to the attention of the world  that his books
 "Triumph of Truth (Who's Watching The Watchers?)
have been decreated out of existence from the Western Australia State Library.
So that Stephen Carew-Reid and his seven volumes of
 "Triumph of Truth (Who's Watching The Watchers?)
would never be heard of again....
This devious plan backfired on the powerful people Stephen Carew-Reid exposed in his books
 "Triumph of Truth (Who's Watching The Watchers?)

when a corrupt judge Justice Williams, who had been on the payrole of the most powerful, feared and dangerous billionaire businesman in Western Australia, Leonard Walter Buckeridge for years,
(in fact is was through the influence of Leonard Walter Buckeridge that Justice Williams became a judge),
during a cout hearing, Justice Williams as part of the conspircy to destroy Stephen Carew-Reid,  sent Stephen Carew-Reid down for mental assessment to the Graylands Mental Institution in Perth, Western Australia for 14 days in the hope that the doctors there would declare Stephen Carew-Reid insane. However, the doctors gave Stephen Carew-Reid a certificate that said he was sane,
 even though suffering from severe stress of all these court battles with these powerful people..
Since then Stephen Carew-Reid has had many threats on his life he ever attempted to make copies of  his books

"Triumph of Truth (Who's Watching The Watchers?)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daily_News_(Perth,_Western_Australia)#Later_years

Daily News (Perth, Western Australia)

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Daily News was an afternoon daily newspaper published in Perth, Western Australia from 1882 until 1990[1], though its origin is traceable from 1840.

Origins

One of the early newspapers of the Western Australian colony was The Inquirer, established by Francis Lochee and William Tanner on 5 August 1840. Lochee became sole proprietor and editor in 1843 until May 1847 when he sold the operation to the paper's former compositor Edmund Stirling.

In July 1855, The Inquirer acquired the recently established Commercial News and Shipping Gazette owned by J R Sholl. The papers were merged and renamed to the Inquirer and Commercial News which ran as a weekly until 28 June 1901 under joint ownership of Stirling and Sholl. Sholl departed and, from April 1873, the paper was produced by Stirling and his three sons, John, Fred and Horace, trading as Stirling & Sons. Edmund Stirling retired five years later and the three sons took control as Stirling Bros.

The Stirling Bros launched the Daily News in July 1882 and, in 1901, the Inquirer and Commercial News was incorporated into the single publication known as the Daily News.

A Saturday edition was published as the Weekend News and the "Weekend Magazine" of the Daily News was later incorporated into The West Australian.

Later years

Competition from television evening news resulted in losses in circulation and eventual cessation of most Australian afternoon newspapers. The Daily News came to be a wholly-owned subsidiary of West Australian Newspapers (WAN), formerly itself a subsidiary of the Melbourne-based Herald and Weekly Times organisation. In the late 1980s, WAN was acquired by the ill-fated Bond Corporation's subsidiary the Bell Group. On 2 May, 1990,[2] British publishing magnate Robert Maxwell's UK-based Mirror Group bought 14.9 per cent of Bell from the group's managing director, Mr David Aspinall. However, the deal did not proceed, being opposed by the federal government under its media foreign ownership policy.[3][4]. The WA Inc state government was activated to legislate to retrospectively place the Daily News beyond the decision of the (federal) Trade Practices Commission—a move which the Opposition condemned as prejudicial to Commonwealth-State relations.[5]The paper was then defunct and in receivership, owing over $15 million, mainly to The West Australian for production costs. Maxwell's bizarre death by drowning occurred on 1 November, 1991.

WAN was the subject of a successful stock-market float in 1992 following closure of the Daily News.

Continuance of the Daily and Weekend News under the new name Australian Weekend News

The was a continuance of the Daily and Weekend News by Stephen Carew-Reid, under the new name the Australian Weekend News Newspaper Masthead (commonly known as the AWN), which was originally published as part of the the Daily-Weekend News published in Perth Western Australia, being a well known newspaper that has it origins traceable back to 1940,then known as The Inquirer, established by Francis Lochee and William Tanner on 5 August 1840.See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daily_News_(Perth,_Western_Australia) The Australian Weekend News (AWN) was originally known as the Weekend News, that was the Friday and weekend edition of the Daily News that was published on the Streets of Perth Western Australia Fiday lunchtime, unlike all other weekend newspapers around Australia, that were not availbale on the streets till Saturday morning,compiled in Western Australia's capital city of Perth. The Stirling Bros launched the Daily News in July 1882 and, in 1901, the Inquirer and Commercial News was incorporated into the single publication known as the Daily News and as such can be considered as Perth Western Australia's first newspaper. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daily_News_(Perth,_Western_Australia). The well known author, Stephen Carew Reid, whose home town is Perth Western Australia, the author of seven volumes of the book series called Triumph of Truth (Who's Watching The Watchers?) see: http://www.whoiswatchingthewatchers.com ,published in the late 1980's to expose the corruption he had been fighting for a decade in the legal, political, police, public trustee and business world of Western Australia, managed to obtain the Weekend News newspaper masthead when "The Daily News-Weekend News was mothballed in the early 1990s by the then owners of the West Australian Newspaper Group (WAN), because a former Trade Practices Commissioner, Bob Baxt, told them that it was a monopoly to control both newspapers. But instead of selling this valuable asset to an independent operator, WAN ran up millions of dollars worth of bills and put it into liquidation."[[See:http://inlnews.com/AustWeekendNews2001.html]> Stephen Carew-Reid then proceeded to republish the Weekend News under the new name "Australian Weekend News", abrieviated to "AWN", described by Stephen Carew-Reid the following way, "The Australian Weekend News will provide a reasonably priced alternative, that will be owned by the Australian people." See: http://inlnews.com/AustWeekendNews2001.html, which featured "a cartoon series staring Mr Wijat and Mr Wijat's Team Fighting For Truth Justice and the Australian Way up against The Monster Gang."See:http://www.whoiswatchingthewatchers.com/Journal.html "Mr Wijat and Mr Wijat's Team and the Monster Gang are the cartoon characters created by the author Stephen Carew-Reid that resemble some of the real characters in the series of books "Triumph of Truth (Who's Watching The Watchers?" See:http://www.whoiswatchingthewatchers.com/Journal.htmlStephen Carew-Reid had all his powerful enemies against him trying to stop him from continuing with the publication and expansion of the Australia Weekend News. Many of these enemies he had exposed in his series of books called Triumph of Truth (Who's Watching The Watchers?,) as well, he had the rich established powerful media groups in Australia against him the did not want him to succeed because it would greatly reduce the value and profits of their existing newspaper that had a combined value of over $30 billion on the Australian and world stock exchanges, and in particular the powerful Western Australian Newspaper Holdings Ltd (with the West Australian newspaper masthead valued by the stock market at about $3 billion), that continued to publish Western Australia's second oldest newspaper The West Australian. "The West Australian (often simply called The West) is the only locally-edited daily newspaper published in Perth, Western Australia, and is owned by ASX-listed West Australian Newspapers Holdings Ltd (ASX: WAN). The West is published in tabloid format, as is the state's other major newspaper, The Sunday Times, a News Limited publication. It is the second-oldest continuously-produced newspaper in Australia, having been published since 1833. The West is politically populist, with strong conservative leanings. It was described by former Prime Minister of Australia Paul Keating as the worst newspaper in Australia.[citation needed]"See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_West_Australian.

Australian Weekend News Collectors Editions in the Western Australian Alexander Resource Library

For many years Stephen Carew-Reid continued to publish what he called "Australian Weekend News -AWN-Collectors Editions" which the Western Australian State Reference Library, The State Library of Western Australia known as the Alexander Resource Library [[Se: http://www.slwa.wa.gov.au/ also see:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Library_Building also see:, encouraged Stephen Carew-Reid to continue with publishing weekly editions of the Australian Weekend News featuring Mr Wijat and His Team consisting of ERF The Worm, Al Wijat ( Mr Wijat's Super Hero Son) and Marvin The Marvellous. The Western Australia's Alexander Resource Library hold copies of most of these editions. "The Alexander Library was established in 1955, in a rented house in West Perth, with five staff and 15,000 books, serving the three country libraries of York Donnybrook and Moora.

Today the library board (operating as the library and information service of Western Australia) has 267 staff and a total of 2.2 million volumes in the public library building. It provides reference and information services from the Alexander Library building and serves 230 public libraries. The Alexander Library's facilities include a modern, air-conditioned facilities and plenty of comfortable seating. There is a large stock of reference books and magazines as well as records for listening to, music scores for borrowing and a piano room to try the music scores out. Other materials at the library include newspapers from around the world, film and videos for loan to community groups or for viewing in the library, Western Australian history (including photographs, oral history and archives), and maps and atlases. There are computer catalogues to assist you to find the information you want," See: http://www.totaltravel.com.au/travel/wa/pertharea/perth/shops/books-video-photos/alexander-library-3/details/.

Formation of the Australian Weekend News Publishing Group to continue to publish the Australian Weekend News (AWN)

Stephen Carew-Reid eventually obtained financial partners which included other family members such as his bother Lloyd Carew-Reid who became famous for his fight for justice for the down trodden New Yorker See:http://inlnews.com/Lloyd_Carew-Reid_Justice.html and http://www.whoiswatchingthewatchers.com/Journal.html and his famous artist-potter sister Pippen Drysdale See:http://inlnews.com/PippenDrysdale_FineArts.html, to help him form the Australian Weekend News Publishing Group, "Australian Weekend News Publishing Group registered at 1707 L 17 Australia Square Tower 264 George Street, Sydney, NSW 2000"See:http://www.hotfrog.com.au/Companies/Australian-Weekend-News-Publishing-Group Due to the large expense of publishing and distributing a newspaper in hard copy, in 2001 the AWN was created into an internet newspaper under various domain names over the years including www.inlnews.net,www.australianweekendnews.com, www.australianweekendnews.com.au andwww.awn.bz.

Control of the Australian Weekend News taken over by International News Limited(INL) and aims of the AWN

In 2004 the control of the Australian Weekend News Publishing Group was taken over by International News Limited originally an Australian company formed by a group of investors keen to support an independent news media group that was based around Stephen Carew-Reid's original charter and aims of the AWN Publishing Group, being " 1.To establish a financially strong mainstream worldwide people's media group listed on the stock exchange, which can compete with other media on a fair and equitable basis. 2.To have more than one million subscribers. 3. To allow subscribers to have a say in the running of the Australian Weekend News. 4. To provide financial assistance, advice and work opportunities to subscribers. 5. To provide an alternative workplace for journalists and others who work or want to work in the media industry. 6. To provide a truly independent public voice. 7.To provide quality, interesting and colourful news content. 8. To provide assistance in publishing of articles, books and journals where other publishers have refused to assist. 9. To provide legal assistance to subscriber shareholders. 10. To provide affordable advertising to subscribers. See:http://inlnews.com/AustWeekendNews2001.html. The aim of the investors behind the formation of International News Limited was for form a financially strong independent media group that is there to support the aforementioned aims, rather than for profit motive of the investors that would be grow into a financially strong and well publicly supported media group that is there for the average person that would keep good investigative journalism alive, as an alternative to another Australian Rupert Murdoch who controls the most powerful media groups in the world called News Limited that has been described by one of Rupert Murdochs outspoken critics media scholar Robert W. McChesney, who launched www.FreePress.net with the help of journalist John Nichols and executive director Josh Silver, in late 2002 by media scholar Robert W. McChesney,critics at www.freepress.net as just been interested in junk journalism for the pure greed and profit motive. See:Rupert Murdoch just bought the Wall Street Journal=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mf8Gi3SwfxY.

Approach to Rupert Murdoch & News Limited by Stephen Carew-Reid to partner in the AWN

In 1996 Stephen Carew-Reid had a venture capital broker approach Rupert Murdoch at News Limited's office in Sydney to ask if News Limited wished to invest $2,000,000 into the Australian Weekend News Publishing Group for 20% of the shares to help fund the expansion of the Australian Weekend News (AWN) into a financially solid newspaper published in each state in Australia on Friday afternoon, (as the original Weekend News had been published on Friday at lunchtime, rather that Saturday morning giving readers the chance to see what was happen for the weekend on Friday rather than Saturday) as an alternative Australian weekend newspaper to all the other weekend state newspapers that were published in each state on Saturday morning. Rupert Murdoch and News Limited's answer was to threaten Stephen Carew-Reid and his Australian Weekend News Publishing Group with Federal and Supreme Court writs to try and stop them using the name "Australian", in front of the name Weekend News. Rupert Murdoch and News Limited's argument was that they had established the Australian Newspaper, being the only Australia wide newspaper with general news and they called their weekend edition The Australian (Weekend Edition).

However, Stephen Carew-Reid had the name registered in Australia for some time Australian Weekend News as a business and company name and had been publishing the Australian Weekend News Collectors Editions since 1986. Stephen Carew-Reid's response to these legal threats from News Limited, a 300 billion dollar company being one of the largest media companies in the world with very deep pockets, that had unlimited money for the best and most expensive legal council money can buy, was to fax a draft copy of the next edition of the Australian Weekend News, with a headline and story entitled "Rupert Murdoch and his News Limited company sues Mr Wijat's Australian Weekend News over the right to use Australian as part of the Australian Weekend News Masthead".

Stephen Carew-Reid also requested that the lawyers work over night to prepare the writs for collection by Stephen Carew-Reid the next morning. There was never any further response from Blake Dawson and Waldron, solicitors(now known as http://www.blakedawson.com/) for News Limited that made the threats for and on behalf of News Limited, and Stephen Carew-Reid, Mr Wijat, the Australian Weekend News, the Australian Weekend News Publishing Group have never heard from News Limited, Rupert Murdoch, News Limited or any of their solicitors or representative since that day.Johnreid09 (talk) 18:52, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Notable former journalists

Publication details

  • 26 July 1882-11 Sept. 1990. - main publication
  • From 6 July 1886 incorporated title Morning Herald.
  • From 28 June 1901 incorporated title Inquirer and Commercial News.
  • Saturday edition from 6 Aug. 1960-29 Mar. 1986 titled Weekend News
  • additional Saturday issue from 19 Feb. 1966-3 Apr. 1971, Weekend Magazine a colour supplement of the Weekend News

Various supplements:

  • Fremantle News, 28 Apr. 1949-7 Apr. 1971
  • Fremantle-Cockburn News, 14 Apr. 1971-24 May 1984
  • North of the River News, 2 Dec. 1959-22 Feb. 1961
  • Metro, Mar. 1987-Apr. 1987, a 16-page colour supplement in Wednesday's Daily News.
  • Source: - Battye Library online catalogue of its holdings that have been microfilmed

See also

References

  1. ^ Margaret Hartnup (September 1999). "Background to the Early Newspapers". State Library of Western Australia. Retrieved on 2008-03-06. and Douge, Denise.(1990) Description of the closure of the newspaper, redundancy agreement Scoop, Summer 1990, p. 5, 27,
  2. ^ Sydney Morning Herald, Maxwell purchases 15% of Bell Group", 3/5/1990
  3. ^ Sydney Morning Herald, Court puts freeze on Maxwell's Bell stake, 11/5/1990
  4. ^ Communications Law Centre Forum: Foreign ownership of media, Spring 1990
  5. ^ Opposition Leader Barry McKinnon's Media Release: Libs want Daily to continue but reject state legislation, 18/9/1990.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Australian_Weekend_News

Talk:Australian Weekend News

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Attention: Managers and controllers of Wikipedia and to who it may concern The new page entitled Australian Weekend News is factual and truthful description and history of the Australian Weekend News newspaper masthead that originated from Western Australia as the Weekend News, the oldest newspaper in Western Australia, was taken over by Stephen Carew-Reid in the interests of the Australian people. To remove the truth and factual account would be helping the powerful people that do not want the Australian Weekend News to be known as an established truly independent newspaper that that is there for the people of Australia to have a say form all sides of the fence. The struggle that Stephen Carew-Reid has had in trying to re-establish the over 100 year old newspaper Western Australian Newspaper that was known as the Weekend News for over 100 years into an Australia wide newspaper is all part of the history of the Australian Weekend News. To stop this story being aired on Wikapedia is to help the main stream media, controlled by a powerful few, like Rupert Murdoch's 500 billion dollar company News Limited and the powerful West Australian Newspaper Holdings Limited that control the only daily newspaper in Western Australia, after deleiverately closing down the only daily opposition newspaper, the original Daily News its Friday/Weekend Edition, the Weekend News, rather than selling it for millions as a going concern, just because the then Trade Practices Commisisoners Bob Baxt told the then owners of Western Australian Newspaper Holdings Ltd, well know businessman Robert Homes a Court and then later well know businessman Allan Bond, who had always historically controlled both the morning Western Australian Newspaper, The West Australian, and the alternative daily afternoon and weekend newspapers the Daily News and the Weekend News, that they could no longer be allowed under Australian Federal Monopolies Law that that Western Australian Newspaper Holdings Ltd could no longer control and own all three Western Australian Newspapers, the West Australian, the Daily News and the Weekend News. They were told to sell the Daily News and the Weekend News. Instead of selling them for millions of dollars and maybe even for a billion dollars, to an independent media and/or investment group as going concern newspapers, they chose to quietly move the running of the Daily and Weekend News into a $2 shelf company change its name to Daily News Pty Ltd run up over $16 million in unpaid printing and other bills and use it as a slush fund to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars to ghost employees that did not exist in reality, knowing that the company was eventually going to be put into liquidation and the books buried by a well paid friendly powerful liquidator called Mr Norgard, and finally publicly announce a couple of year later in the well respected Western Australian Newspaper the West Australian, that is also commonly known in Western Australia as "The Bible", because what news is reported in the West Australian is meant to have the creditabiity of what is said in the bible, and if it is not reported in the West Australian Newspaper, then it is considered not the truth and/or did not happen at all. For Wikapedia to refuse to allow the article of the description and history and background of the Australian Weekend News newspasper masthead to be published on the Wikapedia WebSite, is to support the protection of the only opposition newspaper to the Australian Weekend Newspaper in Western Australia, run by the main steam media run by people like Rupert Murdoch and his over $500 billion media company and other powerful media and investor like Kerry Stokes and his powerful Channel 7 Television Network sand their powerful connections, who effectively control the publication if the West Australian Daily Newspaper, and the Western Australian Sunday Times owned by Rupert Murdoch's News Limited, and their joinly controled local newspaper Group (50% each so that it effectively gets around the monopolies laws in Australian that will not allow either newspaper owner to have effective control of any other newspaper in Western Australia. For Wickipedia to remove and destroy this article and refuse to allow this article to be pushing in the Wickipeda Website that is in the public interest showing the truth about the description, development and history of the Australian News is evidence that what media scholar Robert W. McChesney who founded www.freepress.net are saying about people like Rupert Murdoch and Kerry Stokes, who control the powerful main stream media companies such as News Limited and Western Australian Newspaper Holdings Ltd "has been described by one of Rupert Murdoch's outspoken critics media scholar Robert W. McChesney, who launched www.FreePress.net with the help of journalist John Nichols and executive director Josh Silver, in late 2002 by media scholar Robert W. McChesney,critics at www.freepress.net as just been interested in junk journalism for the pure greed and profit motive. See:Rupert Murdoch just bought the Wall Street Journal=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mf8Gi3SwfxY. Media scholar Robert W. McChesney who founded www.freepress.net is publicly trying to expose the rich and powerful few taking over all the smaller hard copy and online newspapers, internet, cable, and main stream television channels because they have access to what media scholar Robert W. McChesney calls "Wads if Cash", and sacking all the independent investigative journalists in the aim of making hight profits with few journalists by using what media scholar Robert W. McChesney calls Cheap Junk Syndicated News" provided cheaply by the main stream wholesale world news providers, such Australian Associated Press and Reuters. The news provided by these powerful wholesale newsagencies in junk and sanitized news that is used by powerful media companies like News Limited to sanitise the Iraq War to the American People as a favour for the US Bush Administration, in return for all sorts of political, business and financial favours to Rupert's all powerful News Limited. In closing the chose is up to Wickipedia to chose if it was to also become known as the junk and sanitised news and information website that only publishes articles that are accepted by the powerful mainstream people, politicians, legal and courts systems and powerful media groups that want control of everything we read and see each day for various reasons, that do not just include the pure profit motive, such as to hide important information from the average person that their powerful connections do not want known. It all becomes about "Greed, Money, Power and Mind Control..Its Frightening.. Packer and Murdoch Control 40% of Australia's Information" That was the headline of an article pushed in the Australian Weekend News in 1987. The article goes on to say the follow: " According to a Financial Review estimate, the Rupert Murdoch and Kerry Packerss companies have such s lock on the Australian Media Game, that their two companies' of various print and electonic outlets supply 40% of Australia's information. According to Angela Chan, chairperson of the Ethnic Communities Council of New South Wales, ownership of a major television network and newspaper by the same company could amount to "Thought Control..it's frightening.". Says Jock Given, director ofthe Communications Law Centre in Sydney, "If you have both the top rated TV network and No.2 newspaper publisher, and line that up with what Murdoch already controls, then I think that is very disturbing." Were the media to become overly concentrated, says Schartzman, new ideas might never be formed, much less expressed: " A free market of ideas is generally deemed to generate the most efficient and truly representative democratic process. If new ideas are not readily available to be passed around, chewed over, modified, the process doesn't work.". David Talbot, editor and CEO of Salon Magazine, a WebZine of arts and ideas, features editor at the San Francisco Examiner stated when asked his view on Print Vs The Web, "Print magazines have become isolated in their Manhattan Towers, cut off form the readers. They're too formatted, too bottom-line driven, too much like one asnother. Daily daily newspapers have become bland, politically correct, monopolistic institutions. Where are the crusading mudrakers and colourful columnists? The press has forgotten how to provoke, entertain, which is why it's haemorrhaging readers to the Internet. I look for the talent of tomorrow to emerge on line." The article goes on to say, " There is no doubt that the average mainstream hard copy newspaper sold at newsagents has lost the art of truly entertaining it's readers and is no longer allowed to be provocative by it's editors for far of suddenly been given their termination notice It is a well known fact in the media industry that editors are expected to know what is wanted from then by the owners without having to be actually regularly told. Major newspapersn are seen by the average reader as effectively controlled by multinationak coorporations and big business who are behind the scenes involved with supporting one political party or another and/or one big business entity or another. It is becoming very rare to see in the print media any such thing as truly independent investigative journalism anywhere in the world. Australian has an even more deep rooted problem in this regards. This is partly caused by Australia's isolation, partly caused by the power bases whom effectively control Australia, taking advantage of the easy going nature of Australian and partly because there is simply no truly independent media outlet in Australia where the average Australian can have a say when they feel that their country is not being run on a fair and equitable basis by those who have assumed control of the legal sand political system in Australia. A system hat is meant to belong to all Australians, and not just a select and powerful few. The Australian Weekend News ( formerly Western Australia,s most loved Weekend News) and International News Limited is set to start reversing this unhealthy trend with the help of your continued support, which will be aqppreciatred by the forthcoming generations of Australians who will want the opportunity of open free speech which may not be available to them unless a truly independent Australia Wide newspaper is established while there is group of people willing to take the established media power bases on. This may be the last chance for a truly independent mainstream newspaper to be established." 

                       Yes!!!! USAWeeekend News Readers...

 the powerful people in the media, publishing business, politcial, judicial, courts, police, public prosecution, legal, public trustee, government servants, the powerful West Australian newspaper etc world have even managed to have all the above articles completed removed from Wikipedia, as though the edit to the article on the Perth-Western Australian Daily-Weekdend News Page 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daily_News_(Perth,_Western_Australia)#Later_years
never existed,  just like the seven volumes of the books "Triumph of Truth (Who's Watching The Watchers?), written by Stephen Carew-Reid and published by the Australian Weekend News, were completely dectroyed and removed from all records of the Wesatern Australian Batty Library, known as the Alexander Resource Library, after they we purchased with money belonging to the Western Australian people. by the library and cateloged onto the library's computer index under "corruption in the political, police, public trustee, courts, legal, government, public proescutuon, judges , magistrates
world etc"
...and just like the original manucripts of the seven volumes of  
"Triumph of Truth (Who's Watching The Watchers?),  were stolen by Senior Detectives Sergent Gregory Stormont and Barry Zerner, on behalf of the Queensland Police Force and the Queensland Government and others, from 6 Earl Court Tallai, known as the Hollywood Hills of the Gold Coast in Queensland.
The mystery and plot thickens as to why these power people and organisations want to stop the information in these books being made publicly available, and stop the public from ever even knowing that Stephen Carew-Reid fought so hard to keep the over 150 year old Western Australian Daily-Weekend newspaper going in Western Australian and developed into an Australia wide weekend newspaper called the 
                                                     
                                              
Australian Weekend News.


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The USA Weekly News investigative team have discovered that the person that removed the above articles and edits to the Perth Western Australian Daily-Weekend News
page in Wikipedia, calls himself Moondyne, and was originally in the administratin section of Wikipedia, which is an unpaid job, and since 2003 when he resigned from from being on the adminteam of Wikipedia,

he became a full time writer for Wikipedia, writing and editing thousands of artilces all about people, places, history, courts, sport, general news, media, crime, politics, etc from his rural property in Moolibeenie,

near Gingin in Western Australia, which is about one hour from Perth, the capital city of Western Australia. In fact Moondyne was the person that posted the first edit of  Perth Western Australian Daily-Weekend News

page in Wikipedia, and complete most of the other minor edits completed by other part time editors of Wikipedia.
This is the original article that Moondyne was responcible for creating

Daily News (Perth, Western Australia)

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Daily News was an afternoon daily newspaper published in Perth, Western Australia from 1882 until 1990[1], though its origin is traceable from 1840.

Origins

One of the early newspapers of the Western Australian colony was The Inquirer, established by Francis Lochee and William Tanner on 5 August 1840. Lochee became sole proprietor and editor in 1843 until May 1847 when he sold the operation to the paper's former compositor Edmund Stirling.

In July 1855, The Inquirer acquired the recently established Commercial News and Shipping Gazette owned by J R Sholl. The papers were merged and renamed to the Inquirer and Commercial News which ran as a weekly until 28 June 1901 under joint ownership of Stirling and Sholl. Sholl departed and, from April 1873, the paper was produced by Stirling and his three sons, John, Fred and Horace, trading as Stirling & Sons. Edmund Stirling retired five years later and the three sons took control as Stirling Bros.

The Stirling Bros launched the Daily News in July 1882 and, in 1901, the Inquirer and Commercial News was incorporated into the single publication known as the Daily News.

A Saturday edition was published as the Weekend News and the "Weekend Magazine" of the Daily News was later incorporated into The West Australian.

Later years

Competition from television evening news resulted in losses in circulation and eventual cessation of most Australian afternoon newspapers. The Daily News came to be a wholly-owned subsidiary of

West Australian Newspapers (WAN), formerly itself a subsidiary of the Melbourne-based Herald and Weekly Times organisation. In the late 1980s, WAN was acquired by the ill-fated Bond Corporation's subsidiary the Bell Group. On 2 May, 1990,[2] British publishing magnate Robert Maxwell's UK-based Mirror Group bought 14.9 per cent of Bell from the group's managing director, Mr David Aspinall.

However, the deal did not proceed, being opposed by the federal government under its media foreign ownership policy.[3][4]. The WA Inc state government was activated to legislate to retrospectively place

the Daily News beyond the decision of the (federal) Trade Practices Commission—a move which the Opposition condemned as prejudicial to Commonwealth-State relations.[5]The paper was then defunct

and in receivership, owing over $15 million, mainly to The West Australian for production costs. Maxwell's bizarre death by drowning occurred on 1 November, 1991.

WAN was the subject of a successful stock-market float in 1992 following closure of the Daily News.

This article left many gaps into the real history of the real reason for the liquidation of the old Daily-Weekend News in Perth, Western Australia, and the left out many details as to how Daily News Pty Ltd was liquidated and how Ross Norgard, of Arthur Andersonm Auditors, the liquidator appointed by the Bell Group, who owned Daily News Pty Ltd which iriginally published the Daily News,the Weekend News, and

also the West Australian Newspaper. had instructions from the Bell Group, his bosses, that he was not to allow any independant publishing group and/or business people to purchase the Daily and Weekend News from him. In fact some of the real facts that are missing from the Perth Western Australian Daily-Weekend News page in Wikipedia include that it was publshed on page 2 of the West Australian in an article

written by the West Australian newspaper hatchet man Robert Taylor in his column Inside Cover, tyat Stephen Caew-Reid had origianlly offered $1,000,010 for  Daily News Pty Ltd which was to include

all the accounts and records of Daily News Pty Ltd, the newspaper mastheads of the Daily News and the Weekend News. The way the article was written, was done to try and discredit this $1 million  offer

for Daily News Pty Ltd. In fact, even though it is on public record in the West Australian newpsaper of the fact that Stephen Carew-Reid made the offer of $1,000,010 for the comany known as Daily News Pty Ltd,

that is varifiable for Wijipedia as a reference to support placing this information into Wikipedia, the tone of the article caused extreme public embarrasment for Stephen Carew-Reid who had an appointment

that day with the peopple tha run the Morning Star Newspaper in Malaysia, who were looking at giving $2 million dollars to Stephen Carew-Reid  for 20% of the new compamny he was forming to take over the publishig of the Daily-Weekend News.
Because of the nasty and embarrassing tone of the article written by Robert Taylor, about Stephen Carew-Reid's $1,00,010 offer to buy the company Daily News Pty Ltd, the business people that ran

the Morning Star cancelled the appointment they had with Stephen Carew-Reid that day and thus did not put in the end offer to put the $2 millio into the Daily-Weekend News project with Stephen Carew-Reid.
The evidence is fairly clear and obvious, that Moondyne, is one of these people the Governments and other powerful people and organisations in a town, like Perth, who work on a paid full time basis for

the government  and other powerful people and organisations like the West Australian Newspaper Group that run and publish the West Austraolian newspaper in Perth, Western Australia, to create

and edit artcles in Wikipedia, abuot subjects that Moondyne is told to right about and the information in these Wikipedia artilces are based on the type of impression that the Governments and other

powerful people and organisations in Perth, Western Australia, like the West Australian Newspaper Group, that run and publish the West Austraolian newspaper in Perth, Western Australia, want in

these artilces, thus creating the written history they way they want people to remember it as to what has happened in the past, and in many instances it s not the truth and a lot of information is missing

and left out. Also in Western Australia it is even more easier to bend the truth in Wikipedia by referencing the articles written to articles written in the West Australian Newspaper, which is in effect

the only daily newspaper in Western Australia. In particular, with the subject matter of the old Daily-Weekend News closure and the continuation of these old 150 year old newspapers by Stephen Carew-Reid

unde rthe new name, Australian Weekend News, which has continued to from the 1980-90's till today in the form of online publications under a number of different Internet domain names over the years,  and collections edition published in hard copy, it it easy for journalist paid by the West Australian 
(which has so much public creditability, that it is commonly known as "The Bible", because in Western Australia, it is generally considered by the average person that  what ever is written in the West Australian is on the gospel truth, and if a subject matter and/or an event is not mentioned in West Australian Newspaper "The Bible", then that event it did not in fact happen)
to write biased, untruthful, misleading, and/or half true articles and also ones where the facts mentioned are in a around about way true, however the article provides a completely false picture as to the

true pictiure of an event because the article deliberately leaves out a lot of relevant information. Leaving out relavent information in a letter and/or article is a just as strong form of untuth as

including facts that are untrue.
Going back to Moondyne and the thousands of quite detailed and very detailed researched articles he has written and/or edited  in Wikipedia since the year 2003, about subjects specificly about Perth, Western Australian and Western Australians, there is no way Moondyne is doing this on a part time honouray basis. and there is no doubt  Moondyne is being well paid each week for his work in Wikipedia by the Governments and other powerful people and organisations in Perth, Western Australia, like the West Australian Newspaper Group, that run and publish the West Austraolian newspaper in Perth, Western Australia.
 However Wikipedia does not pay any of its editors and/or writers for any of the information in Wikipedia.  Thus there is no doubt  Moondyne is being well paid each week for his work in Wikipedia by the Governments and/or other powerful people and/or organisations in Perth, Western Australia,

like the West Australian Newspaper Group, that run and publish the powerful West Australian newspaper in Perth, Western Australia.
Moondyne is obviously being well paid for his work editing and writing aricles each week for Wikipedia.

Moondyne, whoever his real name is,

has obviously been a previous editor and/or senior experienced journalist for

the West Australian Government, and/or the West Australian Newspaper and/or the Daily/Weekend News/ and/or the Sunday Times newspaper,

which are the only publishing-newspaper companies that have even been in existence in Western Australia,

where Moondyne could have gained the

knowledge and experience he has as a senior journalist and editor of Wikipedia and

in effect Moondyne has become the self appointed Western Australian editor of Wikipedia.
Moondye makes a point of removing any new articles and or edits

that concern the history, events, people , events, organsisations, sports, crime, music, televsion, newspapers. etc

of and/or about Western Austalia and or West Ausyralians that is not inline with what his employers are happy with.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/User:Penright/Triumph_Of_Truth_(Who_Is_Watching_The_Watchers%3F)

User:Penright/Triumph Of Truth (Who Is Watching The Watchers?)

Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Penright/Triumph Of Truth (Who Is Watching The Watchers?)

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User:Penright/Triumph Of Truth (Who Is Watching The Watchers?)

Penright was encouraged to create this page after challenging the deletion of Triumph of Truth (Who s Watching The Watchers?) at Deletion Review; see Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2009 July 31#Triumph Of Truth (Who Is Watching The Watchers?) Unfortunately, both the original article and the recreation in user space are nothing more than over-long and unverifiable paranoid-delusional ramblings about a non-notable person and his non-notable self-published book. There is absolutely no chance that Wikipedia will ever consent to host this material as an encyclopedia article; it is inappropriate to give Penright the false hope that we might do so; and, given that this will never be an article, this is inappropriate use of user subspace. A willingness on our part to continue to host stuff like this would harm our reputation. This rubbish needs to be purged. --Hesperian23:57, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

  • Speedy Keep This literally got accepted to userspace two days ago. Let's see what Penright does with it. Honestly, deleting it after it was just UNDELETED per a deletion review that he didn't seem to understand in the first place is going to confuse him to incredible amounts. At least keep it for another week or two before nominating. GrooveDog (talk03:50, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
  • Keep for now, per Groove Dog. I think we've bitten him enough for the time being. If nothing comes of the article in a few weeks, I would support a deletion. Vicenarian(Said · Done) 03:57, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
    What do you guys think is going to come of it? Look at it. Try and read it. Look at the sources it relies upon: this for example. Tell me that you honestly believe that there is any possibility at all that a coherent article on a notable topic might emerge from this. It ain't gonna happen.
    Read below about how
    "Stephen Carew-Reid was taken to the Canberra Airport to be flown to Western Australia by a normal commercial airline, however, Stephen Carew-Reid,because of how well knows his courts cases, books and his "fight for justice, fairness and a fair go for the average Australian" was around Australia, all air hostesses around Australia threatened t call an Australian wide strike so that no commercial aeroplane in Australia could take off, and the whole of the commercial air industry would have come to a halt, if the Federal and Western Australian police, who were tying to get Stephen Carew-Reid on the aeroplane, made any further moves to put him on the plane. In the end the police had to take Stephen Carew-Reid back t the Canberra Watch House and the only way they could get him back to Western Australia was by an Australian government RAAF cargo plain plane the next day in company with 60 SAS solders as company."
    These are the deranged and fabulous ramblings of someone who is unwell. We should not be providing a forum for this. Hesperian 04:31, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
    Upon reading the wall of text below and the comments above and below, I see what amounts to several personal attacks against Wikipedia editors. This is not acceptable. There is precedent for removing WP:NPA material from userspace despite the wide-latitude we usually give. I thus switch to deleteVicenarian(Said · Done) 12:15, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
  • Delete per Hesperian. By userfying, all we've done is give him some more cred' by way of the page being indexed on Google http://www.google.com.au/search?q=Stephen+Carew-Reid This would be exactly what he wants to justify his ongoing crusade against the establishment. I am apparently the subject of an investigation which relates to this user
the USA Weekly News investigative team have discovered that the person that removed the above articles and edits to the Perth Western Australian Daily-Weekend News page in Wikipedia, calls himself Moondyne, and was originally in the administratin section of Wikipedia, which is an unpaid job, and since 2003 when he resigned from from being on the adminteam of Wikipedia, he became a full time writer for Wikipedia, writing and editing thousands of artilces all about people, places, history, courts, sport, general news, media, crime, politics, etc from his rural property in Moolibeenie, near Gingin in Western Australia, which is about one hour from Perth, the capital city of Western Australia. In fact Moondyne was the person that posted the first edit of Perth Western Australian Daily-Weekend News page in Wikipedia, and complete most of the other minor edits completed by other part time editors of Wikipedia.[1]
WTF! And that url is one of the sources in the userfied article. Before long no doubt, this deletion and userfication saga will be another chapter in several of these self-published webpages, thus proving the conspiracy theory. –Moondyne 05:04, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Reply to Hesperian regarding discussion on his wanting to have Triumph Of Truth (Who Is Watching The Watchers?) deleted from userspace

Hi Hesperian, note your below comments about the use of user space to was approved and authorised by senior deletion review editors. S Marshall and endorsed by
1. Vicenarian, 2. -AndrewHowse 3,.javért stargaze , to develop the article Triumph Of Truth (Who Is Watching The Watchers?).
They stated" the article is moved to a separate part of the wikipedia space where you can work on it at your leisure before it is "published" into the mainspace".
I have been working hard on the article and solid references to support the article before I went back to the the deletion review committed for their advice and decision of whether the article was ready in the right form and substance to be then moved to the main space, whether the article needed further work and adjustments and editing to satisfy the editing and set out rules for Wikipedia's main space.
From looking at your contribution history and the way you worded your comments attacking the subject matter of the article The Triumph Of Truth (Who Is Watching The Watchers?),
there is no doubt you are form Western Australia, and are part of, and well established with the establishment of Perth, Western Australia,
who were obviously behind the destruction by the J S Battye library of Stephen Carew-Reid's seven series of books entitled Triumph Of Truth (Who Is Watching The Watchers?),
as a result of a forceful approach from a Western Australian Crown Law Attorney, after the books were purchased by the J S Battye Library, Western Australia's State Reference Library, and paid for by public money. The head historical librarian at the J S Battye Library, who ordered the books in the first place, has been interviewed as to why he ordered them in the first place, being obviously so contraversial. "He stated that he had read the books cover to cover, and was satisfied that it was important that they should play an important part of the documentation of the alternative view of Western Australian History in relation to the law, the courts, the judiciary, the Public Trustee, politics, the legal community, the police and the business community." This head historian-librarian is a very experienced and respected person in the Western Australian librarian and literature world, and if he felt the books were of enough public interest and importance to be placed into the main resource library for Western Australia, then certainly they are important enough to have an article written about them in Wikipedia.I have interviewed many people and read a lot of comments in various papers ( private and public ones)about Stephen Carew-Reid in Western Australia and the words "paranoid-delusional ramblings" come up a lot form people that have an interest to classify Stephen Carew-Reid that way. I do not know your real name, and you chose to attack the subject matter of the article and Stephen Carew-Reid with some vigour and strong personal determination to convince senior Wikipedian editors on the Deletion Review Committee, from your comments that they should overturn their decision they made only two days ago after reading a lot of argument and material on the matter and very thoughtful and due consideration. In all due respect, because of the obvious likelihood of bias from you and anyone else from Western Australia, and even throughout Australia, from that matter, should not be allowed by Wikipedia to be involved in any discussion and/or voting on whether the subject matter contained in the draft article currently in Wikipedia userspace entitled Triumph Of Truth (Who Is Watching The Watchers?, should be allowed to remain in user space according to the orders given by the deletion review committee two days ago that stated "the article is moved to a separate part of the wikipedia space where you can work on it at your leisure before it is "published" into the mainspace". To say Stephen Carew-Reid is not well known enough, and thus not considered to be noteworthy enough to have an article in Wikipedia, is an uninformed comment from the research I have done on Stephen Carew-Reid. Stephen Carew-Reid'd reputation is such that as far as I have been able to ascertain, 99.9% of all people of any note, power and or authority in Western Australian, business, political, legal, courts, police, medical, prosecution circles, all have the same opinion of Stephen Carew-Reid as you personally have of Stephen Carew-Reid. For so many people of importance in the community to have such opinion, and/or any opinion at all about Stephen Carew-Reid, indicated that he was clearly very well known and thus noteworthy. One of my research assistants has spoken to a number of attorneies At Law in Western Australia, and in fact all over Australia, and they all know of Stephen Carew-Reid, and in fact Stephen Carew-Reid is so is widely known through all the legal cirlces throughout Australia, to the point that I am informed that no qualified Attorney At Law will represent Stephen Carew-Reid in any legal matter whatsoever in the whole of Australia. Summing up all the comments made about Stephen Carew-Reid, it seems that on one hand many people say ,like you do, that Stephen Carew-Reid is a "paranoid-delusional person", that may be true, I am not a doctor, I am not an Attorney At Law, I am a writer.On the other hand when we have asked Attorneys at Law to read the lengthy 40 page statement of claim filed in the Supreme Court of Western Australia in legal action, Cor 81 of 1993 Stephen Carew-Reid v the Western Australian Public Trustee and others, all the Attorney's At Law say that this very complex statement of claim has been written very clearly and with an extreme high knowledge of very complex corporate legal arguments. In fact many of the Attorney's At Law we spoke to actually said that they were not highly experienced and and/or legally qualified enough to have been able to write such a factually and legally complex statement of claim and if asked by a client to prepare such a document, they would have to employ one of the top QC Attorney's At law to prepare such a document for them. The other interesting point to note is that Stephen Carew-Reid maintained his court actions and/or defended court actions for over 10 years in the courts, which we understand only ended in the end because Stephen Carew-Reid left Western Australian and went into hiding in fear of the powerful people he was having the long legal battles with and that he wrote about in his seven lengthy volumes of Triumph Of Truth (Who Is Watching The Watchers?). Having read all seven volumes it is clear that he had a real and not un-foundered fear, that the, 99.9% of all people of any note, power and or authority in Western Australian, business, political, legal, courts, police, medical, prosecution circles in Western Australia and in legal circles all over Australia, who all have the same opinion of Stephen Carew-Reid as you personally have of Stephen Carew-Reid, feel that Stephen Carew-Reid is a "paranoid-delusional person who should be locked up in a mental institution to be treated as a paranoid-delusional person" , and thus anything that he would write, could in your opinion and the opinion of 99.9% of the other people of any note, power and or authority in Western Australian, business, political, legal, courts, police, medical, prosecution circles could only be "over-long and unverifiable paranoid-delusional ramblings" . The interesting thing here is that everyone that voices this opinion of Stephen Carew-Reid all have a public, legal, political, financial and or other reasons to say this about Stephen Carew-Reid. I make no opinion either way, however here is no doubt that Stephen Carew-Reid is very well known amongst 99.9% of all people of any note, power and or authority in Western Australian, business, political, legal, courts, police, medical, prosecution circles in Western Australia and in legal circles all over Australia. Stephen Carew-Reid is also very well known in media circles, however, I am told that there is clearly has been a media black ban in Australian mainstream media outlets and organisations in discussing Stephen Carew-Reid, the most contraversial his seven lengthy volumes of Triumph Of Truth (Who Is Watching The Watchers?) he has written and published by the Australian Weekend News Publishing Group, and/or his 20 years of thousands of contraversial court hearings the legal system has every experienced in every court in Western Australia, and even the Federal and High Courts in Canberra, in any newspaper, on any Television Net Work, any radio station, any magazine and/or any website. I am not taking his side, I am just trying to provide a balanced unbiased article that on a subject matter I have been researching for over twenty years myself. I agree with you completely that the subject matter of the article, I am writing for Wikipedia, is the subject matter of the most contraversial seven lengthy volumes of Triumph Of Truth (Who Is Watching The Watchers?) he has written and published by the Australian Weekend News Publishing Group, in legal, political, police, prosecution, public trustee, prison, business, media circles is one that well could be based on a man that may well be as you state and personally believe, "a paranoid-delusional". However, we all have to admit that one thing Stephen Carew-Reid is not, that this, "NOT WELL KNOWN AND NOT NOTEWORTHY.", he is one of the most well known and talked about people in Western Australian and even over Australia in media, business, political, legal, courts, police, medical, prosecution circles. In fact, as set out and proven to be true in his books, when he was arrested at the Federal Court in Canberra Australian Capital Territory) after the first hearing of his Federal Action against 69 of the most powerful people in media, business, political, legal, courts, police, medical, prosecution circles in Western Australia which also included the Prime Minister of Australia and the Attorney General of Australia as respondents in his court action FEDERAL COURT OF AUSTRALIA -Carew-Reid v Joyce [1999] FCA 998m(see: http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/cases/cth/federal_ct/1999/998.html),and after a number of court hearings all the way from the Magistrates court to the Federal Court of Australian, all held in Canberra appealing against an extradition order to be taken to Western Australia. Stephen Carew-Reid was taken to the Canberra Airport to be flown to Western Australia by a normal commercial airline, however, Stephen Carew-Reid, and because of how well known Stephen Carew-Reid was in his courts cases, books and his "fight for justice, fairness and a fair go for the average Australian" was around Australia, all air hostesses around Australia threatened to call an Australian wide strike so that no commercial aeroplane in Australia could take off, and the whole of the commercial air industry would have come to a halt, if the Federal and Western Australian police, who were tying to get Stephen Carew-Reid on the aeroplane, made any further moves to put him on the plane.
  In the end, the Federal and Western Australian Police, had to take Stephen Carew-Reid back to the Canberra Watch House,

The in the end, the only way they could get Stephen Carew-Reid back to Western Australia, was by an Australian Government RAAF cargo plain plane the next day, in company with 60 SAS solders as company.

It is clear from reading all the information in the subject available, that the authorities were scared of Stephen Carew-Reid appealing to the High Court of Australia, the next day, after losing the Federal Court Appeal at 7pm that night.

So they collected him at 4am the next morning from the Canberra Watch House, and drove him up to Newcastle, in News South Wales to put him on the RAAF Cargo plane to get him back to Perth before he could not haved any opportunity to lodge the High Court of Australia appeal the next day.

If the High Court of Australia Appeal was lodged, Stephen Carew-Reid would have had to stay in Canberra until the High Court Appeal was finalised, and the international media, who are in mass in Canberra all the time, may well have picked up the story.

Hesperina, I look forward to your further comments on this matter and thank you for bring it up for discussion.

Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Penright/Triumph Of Truth (Who Is Watching The Watchers?)From Wikipedia, the free encyclopaedia < Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion[edit]User:Penright/Triumph Of Truth (Who Is Watching The Watchers?)Penright was encouraged to create this page after challenging the deletion of Triumph Of Truth (Who Is Watching The Watchers? at Deletion Review; see Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2009 July 31#Triumph Of Truth (Who Is Watching The Watchers?)

Unfortunately, both the original article and the recreation in user space are nothing more than over-long and unverifiable paranoid-delusional ramblings about a non-notable person and his non-notable self-published book.
There is absolutely no chance that Wikipedia will ever consent to host this material as an encyclopedia article; it is inappropriate to give Penright the false hope that we might do so; and, given that this will never be an article, this is inappropriate use of user subspace.

A willingness on our part to continue to host stuff like this would harm our reputation. This rubbish needs to be purged. --Hesperian 23:57, 2 August 2009 (UTC)best regards PenrightPenright (talk) 02:36, 3 August 2009 (UTC)Penright (talk) 02:37, 3 August 2009 (UTC)Penright (talk) 04:08, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

  • Delete per the giant brick-o-text immediately above, which in itself contains any number of things that Wikipedia is not and cannot ever be, plus the existing discussion of this material at DRV. If the eventual intention is to embody such allegations in a Wikipedia article, it's best to cut those intentions off sooner rather than later, and that means deletion. — Gavia immer (talk) 05:45, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
  • Keep Userspace is not mainspace, and many of the strictures on mainspace are not applicable here. Especially since userfication of articles which do not belong in mainspace does not mean that they are instantly deletable from userspace - that is why userfication exists. Collect (talk) 10:55, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
  • Delete This rant has no chance of ever becoming an article. I suggest that Penright look into getting web hosting of his own, and save a copy of his work to his hard disk in the mean time, if he hasn't already done so. Gigs (talk) 12:48, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
  • Comment - It doesn't really matter if this is kept or deleted, honestly, it is just a TL;DR user-space entry right now. Set aside the poor article-writing for a moment, what this user desperately needs is some seriously rudimentary instruction in basic communication/interaction with other users. I cannot tell what they are trying to accomplish with this unformatted repetitive cut n paste wall. Tarc (talk) 12:53, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
  • Delete Userification is justified for subjects that are borderline notable or articles that are insufficiently sourced but possibly notable. However userspace is not the place to host unsourced conspiracy theories and wild allegations against all and sundry, like this "article". I recommend that anyone !voting to retain this text, spend some time to read through it; a representative sample:

yet his late father before he died, had used his Federal Police Connections and overall creditability in the business world in Perth Western Australia, to destroy Stephen Carew-Reid's public image, as a way of controlling Stephen Carew-Reid and the millions Stephen Carew-Reid built up in the two family companies, Carew Corporation Pty Ltd and Lloyd McKennal International Co Pty Ltd, from almost nothing, effectively from the grave through the help of the Public Trustee of Western Australia, who was as Stephen Carew-Reid puts it in his books, "were prepared to play the game"

The article always be developed offline, till sourcing, notability and fringe issues are taken care of. Abecedare (talk) 15:19, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Summary of debate of whether User:Penright/Triumph Of Truth (Who Is Watching The Watchers?) 

should stay or go


1.Hi I am using Penright's log in editing name hear and I have changed my name by officially and for Wikipedia I which to be known as Robert Jamison, being my writing name.

2. I have been involved with investigating the evidence, allegations and claims made in the seven series of books called The Triumph Of Truth (Who Is Watching The Watchers?), written by Stephen Carew-Reid and published by the Australian Weekend News Publishing Group, in the early 1990's, that were originally purchased by the Western Australian Resource and Reference Library known in Wikipedia as the J S Battye Library, since the 1980's.

3. I was originally a senior Western Australian Police Officer, who resigned from the Western Australian Police Force, after I could not any more live with the deeply rooted, entrenched and endemic corruption in the police, prison, courts, legal fraternity, the law and prosecution sections of the Western Australian Community.
4. I have officially changed my name with the help and assistance of the internal affairs of the Western Australian Police Service and the Australian Federal Police Service, after agreeing to provide evidence of corruption amongst the Western Australian, other Australian State Police Services and also amongst the Australian Federal Police.
5. I have changed my name officially because of fears of the physical safety of my family, friends and myself as a result of my providing evidence again corrupt members of the police.
6. I am now under Australian Federal Police Witness Protection and I am still involved with the research, investigations and enquires allegations and claims made in the seven series of books called The Triumph Of Truth (Who Is Watching The Watchers?), written by Stephen Carew-Reid and published by the Australian Weekend News Publishing Group, in the early 1990's, .
7. As far as the entry of Moondyne coming into the debate, I have now completed research internally in Wikipedia and elsewhere and it seems that a number of factors should be considered as far as whether Moondyne should be allowed to enter the debate,
and whether his vote as to deletion and/or non deletion of User:Penright/Triumph Of Truth (Who Is Watching The Watchers?) should be allowed to effect the end decision by Wikipedia as to whether to delete and/or not delete User:Penright/Triumph Of Truth (Who Is Watching The Watchers?) from Wikipedia: (a)the USAWeekendNews.com website has wrongly or rightly indicated that Moondyne would have obvious reasons to have a bias for various reasons, as explained by the USAWeeklyNews.com website, in any voting for the deletion of User:Penright/Triumph Of Truth (Who Is Watching The Watchers?),
as Moondyne has done already, (b) I make no comment on the validity of reason provided by USAWeeklyNews.com, however, the mere fact that the allegations have been made, it would only then be appropriate for the administration of Wikipedia to rule that Moondyne's vote and comments, to urgently and forcefully push for the immediate deletion of User:Penright/Triumph Of Truth (Who Is Watching The Watchers?),
not be counted in the final decision making process of whether to delete or not delete deletion User:Penright/Triumph Of Truth (Who Is Watching The Watchers?) from Wikipedia User Space, (c) I do note however in terms of pure logic I have learned to use after years of being a senior police officer, in analysing the comments made by USAWeeklyNews.com, the evidence seems to indicate that Moondyne appears to have be involved on a very full time basis for a number of years with others helping him, such as Hesperian See:(cur) (prev) 00:21, 10 May 2006 Hesperian (talk | contribs) (?Re: Kamin) (undo) (cur) (prev) 00:19, 10 May 2006 Hesperian (talk | contribs) (undo) (cur) (prev) 03:15, 9 May 2006 Hesperian (talk | contribs) (?Wittenoom) (undo) (cur) (prev) 03:14, 9 May 2006 Hesperian (talk | contribs) (undo) (cur) (prev) 02:21, 9 May 2006 Hesperian (talk | contribs) (?Re: Kamin) (undo) (cur) (prev) 02:21, 9 May 2006 Hesperian (talk | contribs) (undo) (cur) (prev) 01:55, 9 May 2006 Hesperian (talk | contribs) (replay and revert abuse) (undo) (cur) (prev) 01:51, 9 May 2006 Michael Kamins (talk | contribs) (undo) (cur) (prev) 00:44, 9 May 2006 Hesperian (talk | contribs) (Wittenoom) (undo) (cur) (prev) 04:29, 8 May 2006 Sumple (talk | contribs) m (Elise Chen) (undo) (cur) (prev) 21:06, 7 May 2006 MiszaBot (talk | contribs) (Esperanza Newsletter, Issue #3) (undo) (cur) (prev) 03:45, 5 May 2006 Hesperian (talk | contribs) (undo) (cur) (prev) 03:37, 5 May 2006 Hesperian (talk | contribs) (undo) (cur) (prev) 03:20, 5 May 2006 Hesperian (talk | contribs) (undo) (cur) (prev) 03:20, 5 May 2006
Hesperian (talk | contribs) (undo) (cur) (prev) 03:18, 5 May 2006 Hesperian (talk | contribs) (undo) sited at http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php title=User_talk:Moondyne&dir=prev&action=history)on research, solely on editing and writing articles that concern Western Australia, one way or another. (d) I ALSO note the following record and comment by YellowMonkey on Moondyne's history contribution files (The YellowMonkey strongly condemns paid editing for businessmen as inherently un-NPOVable. Functionaries should not be able to do it.(taken from Moondyne see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:YellowMonkey (cur) (prev) 08:18, 3 May 2006 YellowMonkey (talk | contribs) (?Boy Charlton: ACOTW) (undo)(cur) (prev) 01:51, 3 May 2006 YellowMonkey (talk | contribs) (?Template:Did you know: fix-up medal citation) (undo)(cur) (prev) 01:50, 3 May 2006 YellowMonkey (talk | contribs) (?Template:Did you know: DYK medal) (undo)) So the fact that the logic says that as Moondyne and User_talk:Hesperian appear to have been working closely together on a full time as paid contributors and editors of Wikipedia of the last few years and also appear to be the best of friends on a personal and business level who both appear to have lived in Western Australia for many years and just mainly work together writing and editing Wikipedia Articles concerning places, people, events, the law, courts, sports, music, entertainment, media, film etc in Western Australia and if fact seem to be in an unofficial control of any article that is origanlly written and/or edited about any subject concerning Western Australia. This thought pattern is backup by the fact that in the last few weeks I tried to edit two aricles concerning western Australian Affairs, that is Daily_News_(Perth,_Western_Australia) andList_of_newspapers_published_in_Western_Australia, and on both occasions the edits have been reversed within minutes of them being placed on Wikipedia by me. (e) the language, words and comments that were made by both Moondyne and User_talk:Hesperian about my edits of these articles and the edits by User_talk:Penright on his articleUser:Penright/Triumph Of Truth (Who Is Watching The Watchers?) have been clearly
wrongful and unnecessary against new editors of Wikipedia that are just learning the ropes in a very complex set of rules, guidelines and regulations and these comments such as " unrelated spam" byMoondyne and "unverifiable paranoid-delusional ramblings" by User_talk:Hesperian seem to be to be in clear breach of the Wikipedia guidelines as to the way use Wiki editors are meant to be treated and spoken to, and have warranted the most strongest response in return, Even thouhgh I fully agree with in principle with User:Vicenarian comments when she gives here reason for changing her decision form not to delete to delete because of what she says "Upon reading the wall of text below and the comments above and below, I see what amounts to several personal attacks against Wikipedia editors. This is not acceptable. There is precedent for removing WP:NPA material from userspace despite the wide-latitude we usually give. I thus switch to delete." , "the personal attacks on editors" as she calls them, have only been in response of serious and wrongful personal attacks on new Wiki editors that were completely unwarranted and clearly outside Wiki Guidelines, and the these personal attacks were only a response to personal attacks on two new Wiki Editors, and anyway a full apology if provided to put an end to that as a reason forUser:Vicenarianchanging her mind from not to deleteItalic text to delete.Italic text
6. the heated discussions as the have become on this Strike-through text http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/User:Penright/Triumph_Of_Truth_(Who_Is_Watching_The_Watchers%3F)&action=edit
page havingnothing to do with what will end up in the finished article on User:Penright/Triumph Of Truth (Who Is Watching The Watchers?) before it is represented to the to the Deletyion Review Committe, when the artilce in final finished after a planned consulting with another experienced editor that User:Penright knows personally in the USA.
7. I also note that while it is useful to have these current discussions, in fact any open discussions and debate on nay matter is healthly, no matter how heated and emotional it may get at times, the current process of attempted deletion of User:Penright/Triumph Of Truth (Who Is Watching The Watchers?) which even though officially was initiated by User_talk:Hesperian, I have been a police officer for too long no to have the opinion (no offence intended), that it was Moondyne that asked User_talk:Hesperian to do him a favour by putting in the news initiation of deletion discussions, when in normality and fairness, such discussions and deletion decisions should be restricted to the original Deletion Review Committee that ruled on the moving the original Triumph_Of_Truth_(Who_S_Watching_The_Watchers?) artilce to userspace ot give as much time as needed by User:Penright to finish editing User:Penright/Triumph Of Truth (Who Is Watching The Watchers?) before it was represented back to the Deletion Review Committee for their decisions of what to do with it next. The current attempts to set up new "a back door deletion committee that is stacked with people that seem to have a personal vested interest in the outcome", rather than a Deletion Review Committee that was originally picked at random with no prior knowledge of the matter, could be considered as a wrongful attempt by bypass the the original Deletion Review Committee's decision.
8. I also make the comment that the all issues involved have to be separated separated and not all bundled into one so we can all make sense of the debate. Issue One: Whether the extreme contraversial nature of the facts surrounding the article on User:Penright/Triumph Of Truth (Who Is Watching The Watchers?) which clearly involves seven books that have no doubt been written, with copies having been sold to the J S Battye Library,having been advertised in the West Australian Newspaper for sale for a number of weeks by the Weekend News Publishing Group, the publishers of the books called The Triumph Of Truth (Who Is Watching The Watchers?). These facts are easily verifiable by searching a copy of the West Australian Newspaper the micro fish at the J S Battye Library and a statement from the librarian in the J S Battye Library that originally ordered and paid for the books, as well as I can provide a copy of the receipt form the library that I was given back in the 1990's that confirms that purchased these books called The Triumph Of Truth (Who Is Watching The Watchers?) published by the Australian Weekend News Publishing group under their newspaper, magazine and book publishing masthead the Weekend News, which was later changed to the Australian Weekend News.Wikipedia has to decide if the contraversial nature of these books is an issue that will stop them having an article p;lace don Wikipedia about them, what was said in them and the cercumstances of these being destroyed by the J S Battye Library, and later on in 2005, the original manuscripts for these books take by the Queensland polcie form a home iat 6 EarL Court, Tallai, Gold Coast, Queensland. There is a copy of the original receipt available that I have personally seen, signed by Senior Detective Gregory Stormont for an on behalf of the Queensland Police for the removal of the books. That issue seems to already have been adjudicated by, wrongly or rightly, by the original Deletion Review Committee's decision allow User:Penright to move the article to Wiki User Space and have as much time as he needs to work on the article to get it into shape for bringing back to the original Deletion Review Committee for further checking and decisions to me made about the article. The only thing left to decide, debate and discuss is the actual wording, grammar, layout, set out etc of the final article and that the final article in accordance of the publishing rules for Wikipedia Main Space. I do believe that the proper place and forum for sorting out these last set of issues as to the final format and working of the final edit of the article is the the original Deletion Review Committee,
not a back door committee set up and consisting of some of Wiki Editors those that seem to have a a personal, business and/or other interest at stake in having User:Penright/Triumph Of Truth (Who Is Watching The Watchers?) immediately deleted so it never can go back to the original Deletion Review Committee for further checking and decisions to me made about the article. This is like making an appeal to a hight court, and just because the higher court make recommendations and orders that does not suit parties that have a personal interest in the matter, that they the set up another alternative appeals court and bypass the one that the issue is already being adjudicated by, stacked with adjudicatiors that have a personal interest in the matter.
9. I woould appreciate your sensible thoughts and view to what I have said here and please do not take any personal offence as to anything I have said, it has all been in aide of trying to get the debate and discussion back onto an unemmotial and not attacking mode.Penright (talk) 15:58, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Many thanks User:Abecedare for our valuable contribution to User:Penright/Triumph Of Truth (Who Is Watching The Watchers?)
Many thanks User:Abecedare for our valuable contribution to the editing of User:Penright/Triumph Of Truth (Who Is Watching The Watchers?), the sentence that you suggest is in appropriate for inclusion on a Wikipedia Main Space Page has been edited out according to your wished and suggestion. that is the sentence :

yet his late father before he died, had used his Federal Police Connections and overall creditability in the business world in Perth Western Australia, to destroy Stephen Carew-Reid's public image, as a way of controlling Stephen Carew-Reid and the millions Stephen Carew-Reid built up in the two family companies, Carew Corporation Pty Ltd and Lloyd McKennal International Co Pty Ltd, from almost nothing, effectively from the grave through the help of the Public Trustee of Western Australia, who was as Stephen Carew-Reid puts it in his books, "were prepared to play the game"

. Just for the record, this quote taken from notes that were taken from reading the original books when they still in the J S Battye Library, and the original books where the source for that statement. The quote was edited into the draft article of User:Penright/Triumph Of Truth (Who Is Watching The Watchers?) to explain to those his reading the article as to why the original one paragraph Writ was issued in 1986 in the Supreme Court of Western Australia by Stephen Carew-Reid against the Public Trustee of Western Australia.
The mere fact there is now Wiki editors reading this draft article in user space, and making comments and suggestions as to what should be included in the article and what not should be included, in another good reason why this very sensitive article about the most contraversial subject and matter in the history of the law, the courts, society, public trustee, police, business, media, literature that ever existed, should be developed on-line in User Space were hundreds of thousands of editors worldwide can be allowed to make suggestions,ideas etc as edits that should be made to this article in User Space called User:Penright/Triumph Of Truth (Who Is Watching The Watchers?), before it is re-submitted to the original Deletion Review Committee for further checking and decisions to me made about the article.
I suppose the main factual points of the article are that the books were written, about a particular contraversial subject matter, that was so contraversial that those that were written about in the books, decided to use their influence and power in the Western Australian Crown Law Office and the Queensland Police Service to have all copies and manuscripts of these books destroyed and/or removed and destroyed, from where ever they could be could be found.
The places they were found was in the J S Battye Library
having been purchased by the J S Battye Library with public money, and the original manuscripts removed from 6 Earl Court, Tallai, Queensland by the Queensland Police. Thee facts are clear and undisputed and provable, and not challenged by anyone. How the article is worded to be an unbiased account of all this it up to as many Wikipedians editors that are interested to help edit this article that is part if the history of Western Australia. the rest if the article talks about the authors well know and notable family (alive and deceased which include:

1. his brother Lloyd Carew-Reid who has become very notable in his fight for justice in New York,
his sister Pippen Drysdale who has become an internationally acclaimed artist-potter,


3. his brother Wayne Carew-Reid, who is a well known and notable business and sport person living in Western Australia, and

Stephen Carew-Reid's great grand father, Sir Edgar Bertram Mackennal, (1863-1931) was the most significant Australian Sculpture of the nineteenth and early twentieth centuries.

Born in Melbourne in 1863, the son of Scottish immigrant and architectural sculptor J. S. Mackennal, Bertram Mackennal studied at the National Gallery Schools in Melbourne (1878-1882) before he departed for Europe in 1882, seeking further training and greater opportunities for sculptural success., there seems no doubt in due course there will be Wiki Articles created on both Lloyd Carew-Reid and Pippen Drysdale), the creation of some cartoon characters for the books and for the use in the Weekend News which later became the Australian Weekend News newspaper and the author started publishing from 1986 onwards as an Western Australian Newspaper as the Weekend News, and then as an Australia wide newspaper as the Australian Weekend News, as a continuation of the original Weekend News published for many years by the West Australian Newspaper Group, and form 1990 on as the cointunuation of the old Daily_News_(Perth,_Western_Australia. It article also talk about Stephen Carew-Reid's connection with another very notable Western Australian, the internationally acclaimed cartoonist, Paul Rigby, and advices, support and help he gave to Stephen Carew-Reid's endevours to continuation the publication of the original Weekend News and [Daily_News_(Perth,_Western_Australia]] under a new newspaper masthead Australian Weekend NewsMany thanks for listening and for you valuable contribution, thought and ideas to this matter.Penright (talk) 17:09, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

  • Delete soonest. Clearly a violation of BLP against several people. Who then was a gentleman? (talk) 20:01, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
  • Comment Penright, if you continue to disrupt this discussion by uncollapsing your massive comments, you could be blocked. Gigs (talk) 20:50, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
  • Delete, no chance of becoming a legitimate article, and BLP issue doesn't allow leniency here. Fut.Perf. ¤ 21:25, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
Have deleted offending material as you all requested from User:Penright/Triumph Of Truth (Who Is Watching The Watchers?) according to Wikipedia rules that you have pointed out about not appearing to attach any living person or organisation on in a Wikipedia article. Please would you all be so kind to review your individual "to keep" or "to delete" decisions in the light of the revised edit on this article, many thanks again for all your contribution, thoughts, advice and guidance as you all have a lot more experience at this than IPenright (talk) 22:21, 3 August 2009 (UTC)



User talk:Penright

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The article Triumph of Truth (Who s Watching The Watchers?) has been speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article seems to be blatant advertising which only promotes a company, product, group or service and which would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become an encyclopedia article. Please read the general criteria for speedy deletion, particularly item 11, as well as the guidelines on spam. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. Also, see WP:COIWP:NWP:VNawlinWiki (talk) 19:06, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

You're trying to publicize your own books. Moreover, those books don't appear to have any independent notability per WP:N and WP:VNawlinWiki (talk) 21:58, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Please don't post your whole article on NawlinWiki's (or anyone else's) talk page. It's unnecessary and clutters the page. Thank you, Vicenarian (Said · Done) 17:08, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Contents

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[edit]Deletion review request

Regrettably I had to revert your request because it was put in the wrong place (in the middle of a different request). If you are still interested, please repost in a proper manner. Dems on the move (talk) 18:13, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

And I did a 2nd time, as whatever you are doing looks like a bad cut n paste job of repeated text all munged up and incoherent. readWikipedia:Deletion_review#Instructions and follow what it says there if you wish to request a deletion review. Tarc (talk) 19:02, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
What's most bizarre about this request for deletion review is that no such article has been deleted.
Click on the logs link and you will see no entries
Triumph Of Truth (Who Is Watching The Watchers?) (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs)
Dems on the move (talk) 19:19, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
I see -- although it was requested to review the deletion of the article Triumph Of Truth (Who Is Watching The Watchers?), the article that was deleted was named Triumph of Truth (Who s Watching The Watchers?) (note the missing 'i' in 'is').
Dems on the move (talk) 19:23, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

NOTE: If you want to review the speedy deletion of the article Triumph of Truth (Who s Watching The Watchers?), please explain why you want the article restored. Please do not repost the text of the article into the review page. Dems on the move (talk) 19:25, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm struggling to make the least bit of sense of this huge, unformatted wall of text, but from a combination of this and a perusal of NawlinWiki's talk page, I'm tentatively of the view that this content should be userfied to Penright in order to give him time to work on the article and make it ready for publication on Wikipedia. Before it is actually moved to the mainspace, I think Penright should bring the finished article in its verifiable, reliably-sourced state back to DRV, where we can examine it and make sure it's appropriate.—S Marshall Talk/Cont 19:02, 31 July 2009 (UTC) Hi this is Penright here, I think I undertsand you are saying that I can have some time to work on the article under a pace called userfied and then when I feel the article is ready for going into the main space, i will be allowed ot bring the article back to DVR where yu can examine it in detail to make sure it's appropriate and/or provide me guidelines and/or suggestions where and how I have to improve the article for moving into the main space. Where do I find UserfiedPenright (talk) 19:38, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit]Comments and formatting

If I may, you really need to slow down a bit and vastly condense what you are trying to say. I'm not sure what system/bbs/forum you are used to using, but here, you do not need to insert your own line breaks, do not need to copy a previous person's text if you are replying to them, and certainly do not need to keep pasting in what looks like gobs of the article you're trying to create every tie you respond. All you need to do is to reply to someone is click on the [edit] ink to the right of the section you want to reply in, and indent one step in from what you're replying to. Indent with a full colon ":", then begin your response. If you wish to reply to this, just put one colon first, since it is the first reply. If I or someone else were to respond to you, two colons "::" would be used, and so on. If a conversation goes on for a long time, sometimes someone will declare an "indent reset" and start over again, but discussions can usually go 8-10 layers or so before that is necessary. Hopefully this will be helpful. Tarc (talk) 18:11, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

"Hi Tarc, I thank you for taking the time to try explain editing and replying prcedure. I am trying it now to see how it works using your suggestion. Best regards PenrightPenright (talk) 19:20, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
A little better, but you forgot the colon. :) Note the one I inserted before your words (right before ""Hi ..."), and the two I inserted before my own response. If you respond to this, put three ":::" on their own line and then begin your msg. That'll help it all look a lot more readable and orderly. Tarc (talk) 19:26, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
How is that, I will try again to see how it works this timePenright (talk) 19:35, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
Perfect. Tarc (talk) 20:03, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
Do you know what are the formalities of these deletion discussions and what are the Wikipedia rules abut when one has already been to the deletion review committee and certain decisions and directions are made, is it then in the hands of a review committee or can the original review deletion committee be by passed by effectively creating another different group of editors in a new review discussion committee, so one never knows where they standPenright (talk) 20:41, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
To be honest it doesn't come up too often. We have pretty lenient standards for what should be allowed in user space. Much more lenient than the original AfD/DRV. One procedural point that you must observe is that long essays are disruptive to the MfD debate process. Please do not remove the {{collapsetop}} or {{collapsebottom}} tags from your long comments. Your comments are still available for people to review in the collapsed box. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gigs (talk • contribs)
Thanks for explaining that, I was thought I was doing the right thing by re-editing the long replies with more spaces between the text as I thought that the big black of text with n spaces had caused the collapse because everyone had complained such long replies without any spaces were hard it read. By the way do you know how one puts in the contents box one sees in most articles where all the heading are listed if one wants to click straight to that section without reading the whole article. What section do I learn all these tricks, also the picture image boxes I am using do not seem as nice looking as the ones I see in most Wikipedia pages that are usually on the left of the pagePenright (talk) 21:24, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
Have deleted offending material as you all requested from User:Penright/Triumph Of Truth (Who Is Watching The Watchers?) according to Wikipedia rules that you have pointed out about not appearing to attach any living person or organisation on in a Wikipedia article. Please would you all be so kind to review your individual "to keep" or "to delete" decisions in the light of the revised edit on this article, many thanks again for all your contribution, thoughts, advice and guidance as you all have a lot more experience at this than IPenright (talk) 22:21, 3 August 2009 (UTC)Penright (talk) 22:27, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

(indent) To make sections use headings like ===Section name===. The table of contents will happen automatically once you add a few. Gigs (talk) 23:57, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit]About assumptions

It's best not to assume anything about other users, except that they are doing what they think is best. Asserting that users might be being paid for their contributions here, or that they might be operating together in a secret manner (which, likely, they are not), can be considered a personal attack, and repeated attacks can result in your account being blocked. So, please be careful of what you say, such as at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Penright/Triumph Of Truth (Who Is Watching The Watchers?). Cheers. lifebaka++ 22:42, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Many thank for the information, advice and guidance to a new Wiki editor who is just learning the ropes, in Wikipedia, as I am now learning that there are certain guidelines that exist to make things run smoothly, that do not exits in the real world, when one feels that one's contributions, are being attacked by someone for the wrong reasons, as also in a manner that do not seem to be the way one is meant to be treated as a new editor to Wikipedia, I now understand what ever one think privately, and what ever things are said to one that, one feels should not have been said in that way, one it vest to say nothing and not respond, which is vastly different for real life.. but this is Wikipedia Life, not real life. It seems to be like a Second Life.cheersPenright (talk) 22:52, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Deleted offending material as requested from User:Penright/Triumph Of Truth (Who Is Watching The Watchers?)
Have deleted offending material as you all requested from User:Penright/Triumph Of Truth (Who Is Watching The Watchers?) according to Wikipedia rules that you have pointed out about not appearing to attach any living person or organisation on in a Wikipedia article. Please would you all be so kind to review your individual "to keep" or "to delete" decisions in the light of the revised edit on this article, many thanks again for all your contribution, thoughts, advice and guidance as you all have a lot more experience at this than IPenright (talk) 22:21, 3 August 2009 (UTC)Penright (talk) 23:30, 3 August 2009 (UTC)Penright (talk) 23:49, 3 August 2009 (UTC)Penright (talk) 23:55, 3 August 2009 (UTC)Penright (talk) 00:10, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit]DRV & MFD

Wikipedia cannot host any material that contains unsubstantiated allegations against living people. For this reason I have closed the DRV and the MFD (deleting your page) as the only way to remove the offending revisions is to delete the pages. Please do not repost any allegation suggesting that any person has acted unlawfully or inappropriately without obtaining multiple impeccable sources to substantiate this. If you do not mind my saying, I honestly do not think that this subject matter is suitable for a Wikipedia page, and, if you are interested in contributing to Wikipedia, you would find it more productive to engage on a different subject. Spartaz Humbug! 16:21, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Reply to User:Spartaz|Spartaz] re deletion User:Penright/Triumph Of Truth (Who Is Watching The Watchers? page

I note that the it appears that the Australian Weekend News has decided to host the Triumph of Truth(Who's Watching The Watchers?) page and discussions on one their Investigative News web page instead, this is the link for your and our Wikipedian Editors involved in the deletion of Triumph of Truth(Who's Watching The Watchers?) page to view if they like.
http://australianweekendnews.info/InvestigativeNews.html
I suppose along with millions of other interest readers around the world, to decide for themselves the rights and wrongs of all this. It is out of my hands now. I am no longer interested in this Wikipedia Web Page matter, I have spend too much time on it already. I look forward to working on other articles in Wikipedia in the future.This is the many thanks. PenrightPenright (talk) 16:53, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
I look forward to working on other articles in Wikipedia in the future. This is the many thanks. Penright (talk)
I hope you do. I'm removing your recent links and posts, due to WP:BLP issues, I mean no offense by this. If you need some help with future contributions, I'm happy to help, but perhaps this will reveal the problem with earlier contributions; the scope of this site is to present verifiable facts, not the truth. cygnis insignis17:25, 4 August 2009 (UTC)






Time Magazine - Judiciary




Lloyd Carew-Reid who is 
a classical guitarist living in New York City,
who once played a cat-and-mouse game with Manhattan cops to fight
for the rights for buskers to make music in the New York Subways. now continues to campaign average american's constitutional rights...
 
"This is America!" was his thought.
 "They can't do this to me! It's against my constitutional rights!"
The musician and the First Amendment double-teamed the court and won.
 
 





For three years Lloyd Carew-Reid, a classical guitarist living in New York City, played a cat-and-mouse game with Manhattan cops. What the man wanted to do was make music in the subway system, hoping his melodies would coax some change out of commuters' pockets. But there were rules against such conduct. In time Carew-Reid, an Australian, got down on himself for trying to make a living in so frustrating a fashion. Then one night a banal but correct notion changed his life. "This is America!" was his thought. "They can't do this to me! It's against my constitutional rights!" The musician and the First Amendment double-teamed the court and won. These mornings you can catch him happily playing below-ground Bach at 59th and Lexington, where he says, "It's a free world down here now."

So it goes throughout this litigious land. In Wisconsin, Selena Fox, a witch, is fighting local zoning laws so that she may conduct religious ceremonies on her property. In Oklahoma, Lucille McCord and Joann Bell, two mothers, successfully ended school prayer with a suit, then, after Bell was assaulted and her home burned, the women sued again and won undisclosed damages from the school district of Little Axe. In Montana, Donna Todd filed her tax return after typing on her 1040 form, "Signed involuntarily under penalty of statutory punishment." The Internal Revenue Service fined her $500 for filing a "frivolous" return. Todd and the courts battle on. Here and there, sanctuary, sanctuary, sanctuary is all the word. Kay Kelly of Tucson, for example, was placed under house arrest for refusing to give the name of the Guatemalan she had sheltered. She contended her right to keep silent on the name was a religious issue.

Well, one could go on, but the point is that the civil docket still makes room for more than whiplash, malpractice, what have you, still accommodates the citizen who has nothing grander to gain than the Republic's concession that he was right and it was wrong, which is pretty grand. In Louisiana, a Vietnamese schoolgirl, no bigger than a pencil sharpened to a nub, had no larger scheme than to publish a newspaper for the "out crowd" at her Louisiana high school, but she ran afoul of her principal nonetheless. In California, a black entrepreneur who sports a thick thatch of provocative dreadlocks and enjoys late-night strolls, even in white neighborhoods, didn't particularly care for being stopped 15 times for vagrancy. He felt that his looks, race and whereabouts were what had invited police inquiry and that these things added up to undue cause. Neither the schoolgirl nor the entrepreneur gave up; they went to the bench.

None of these people are larger-than-life Jimmy Stewarts in a Frank Capra piece; rather, they are obscure citizens who felt slighted on their home patch and sought redress. As subjects, they are what crusty journalists of another age called the "little people." Forty years ago, Joseph Mitchell, the New Yorker writer, bridled at this condescension: "They are as big as you are, whoever you are." With that in mind, herewith the cases of the guitarist, Carew-Reid; the student, Cat Nguyen; and the entrepreneur, Edward Lawson.

Lloyd Carew-Reid, the street musician from Perth, is a squirrelly little guy, blond beard, soft speech, 37 years old, who lives on the rim of the Chelsea area of Manhattan in a dog-eared hotel where drug deals and muggings go down every month or so, where one mad woman thinks she's a rooster. His home environment to some would seem a nightmare; his work environment to most would seem hell. After a day of breathing the iron filings in the New York City subways, one would think he could blow his nose and sink a Hudson River liner. Worse, a braking train in a tunnel in this town can sound like a ten- ton banshee caught in a vise. And yet there he sits, caressing an acoustic guitar in bedlam, playing Bach and Mozart, Francisco Tarrega and Erik Satie, and one of the reasons he got his back up about it was that the city had the gall to hit him with an environmental charge: making unnecessary noise.


In 1985 the Metropolitan Transit Authority issued 3,000 summonses for "unauthorized noise through a reproduction device," a catchall ordinance that covered radios as well as musical instruments, amplified or no. In April of the following year, Carew-Reid was also ticketed three times for "solicitation for entertainment." "Right," the guitarist said sarcastically. "It's a horrible situation down there, and it should remain so." What really got his goat was "the bureaucratic arrogance of it all. Rules. Rules. You've got to have rules. How can rules apply to aesthetics?"

The transit authority replied that musicians setting up shop on densely packed platforms posed safety problems. Said a spokesman: "We do not allow any unsanctioned playing of instruments on the subways." Carew-Reid chose to challenge the constitutionality of the authority's rules against his unsanctioned playing. The T.A. dropped all charges against Carew-Reid in January, stopped issuing summonses to musicians (unless they are found to be blocking an entrance or interfering with train operations -- rare instances, both), and said it would rewrite its regulations.

"It was the best possible victory," Carew-Reid says. "I was almost developing a hate-cop mentality. Now I feel pleased when I see one come up. Sometimes they say, 'That was nice.' "

One recent drizzly morning, a lot of people expressed similar sentiments. "God bless you," a woman said in a note she dropped into the musician's guitar case, along with a dollar. "Lovely," said others. "Just beautiful." At the end of the day, the guitarist pockets between $40 and $60, his normal take. Then he returns to the fleabag he calls home, takes up his duties as president of the tenants' association and works for better housing conditions. "This is America, isn't it? People don't have to live in squalor."

A year ago this spring Cat Nguyen was 16, an honors student at West Jefferson High School, just across the Mississippi River from New Orleans, and an editor of a soon-to-be mimeographed school paper called Your Side. Five years before that she had reached this country from Viet Nam, with no command of English. Having come so far so quickly, she thought the world was at her ! feet -- until Principal Eldon Orgeron saw the paper and banned it.

He had not been consulted, Orgeron said; what was more, he seemed to read the paper's tone as seditious. Nguyen went to the American Civil Liberties Union. "I had to do it to prove I can fight for my rights and to show other kids they can fight for theirs."
He had not been consulted, Orgeron said; what was more, he seemed to read the paper's tone as seditious. Nguyen went to the American Civil Liberties Union. "I had to do it to prove I can fight for my rights and to show other kids they can fight for theirs."

Nguyen is one of those wunderkinds who inspire pride, envy or both. Her mother came from Saigon to New Orleans in 1980 to be near a brother. Cat soon followed. Her mother got a job teaching elementary school and rented a long, skinny house -- a shotgun house -- hard by the levee in the little town of Gretna. Cat conquered English, became an honors student and grew to a height of 4 ft. 9 in. She also got an after-school job in a grocery, where she has to stand on a case of beer to reach the cash register.

Last year, as part of a class project on freedom of the press, she and her friend Regina Saenz and a couple of casual contributors put out their 14-page mimeographed paper. They thought they were being ironic, funny, irreverent. They included references to unresponsive counselors, the selling of term papers, sex, drugs, cheating. "Don't try to cheat unless you're really sneaky, have years of experience and sit way in the back of the class," they wrote in a parody of an advice column. To a would-be dropout, they preached, "Just stay home, get a job at some gas station, get married, have a couple of kids, and before you know it, you'll be 70."

"This was not responsible journalism," said Orgeron. "This school does not extol those kinds of things. That's why this paper has to stop." The principal seized the last 30 of the 150 copies Cat had run off. She had sold the rest at 50 cents a pop. The young woman likes to tell her own story:

"I used to be a waitress in a restaurant, and I knew some lawyers, and they told me to call the American Civil Liberties Union. For a week they didn't accept me. They thought I was just some student mad at my principal. When they did accept me, the A.C.L.U. contacted the school and threatened to take it to court. The school board's lawyers settled out of court. I got the right to print more issues, but I couldn't sell it. We had no money. How could I print without selling?

"I could not sue without parental approval because I'm underage, and my mother works for the school board and she wouldn't sign. If I had my way, I would have taken it all the way. At the end of the school year I decided to publish another issue. Since I couldn't sell it, it came mostly out of my pocket. I just wanted to prove my rights. It made the teachers mad. The principal said he decided not to censor it -- with the lawyers and everything he didn't have the right -- but he just wanted to sound tough."

What dispirited her about the ordeal, the student says, was the apathy of the student body. "I wanted a paper for the majority, the D students. The minority, the A students, have their own paper, the official paper, the Jolly Roger. But when my paper came out, the minority was against me and the majority couldn't have cared less. I wanted to be a lawyer and change the world. But when I saw the minority wasn't with you and the majority didn't care, it looked to me just like politics. I have decided to become a doctor and help people whether they want it or not. I don't want to have anything to do with politics."

Cat Nguyen was graduated from West Jefferson High last month with perfect scores and a four-year Martin Luther King Scholarship to Brandeis University, where she will start the long road toward becoming a physician.

"The dictum that for every wrong there is a right is not true reality. There are a lot of people out there who have been wounded, with no remedy." This is Ed Lawson talking, and can he talk. It is a stunning San Francisco dawn, and Lawson has rejected an invitation to breakfast. "I do not like to do two pleasurable things at once, converse and eat. I find one gets in the way of the other. We'll find someplace outdoors to languish." In moments he secures a public bench not far from Union Square, and occupies it with a self- assurance that all but says aloud, "I am a taxpayer. This is mine."

Lawson ran into trouble in San Diego, where, as an "avid pedestrian," he was stopped repeatedly for vagrancy on his midnight walks, prosecuted twice and convicted once under a provision of the state's penal code that required him to produce "credible and reliable" identification for any police officer who had reason to be suspicious. Lawson saw the matter simply: he was black, his looks were not conventional, and he was treading white sidewalks. His suit called the law unconstitutionally vague and said it violated the Fourth Amendment's guarantee against "unreasonable searches and seizures" and the Fifth Amendment's self-incrimination protection. The U.S. Supreme Court did not subscribe all the way with Lawson, but it did agree that the statute was % too vague to satisfy the due-process clause of the 14th Amendment. Today Ed Lawson's nightly constitutionals are nobody's business.

"I took a terrible beating for years," Lawson says, drinking in the day. "Somewhere back in here is Melvin Belli's office." He sweeps an arm round San Francisco. "I sat there. He said, 'No remedy. No money in it.' I went to the best-known attorneys, the highest priced. They said by and large you don't win against the police department. They didn't understand that I knew I could beat them on my own turf, the media. Most people who can communicate, communicate. Those who can't, carry guns. I thought surely at some point sanity would prevail. But they would not give up, and so it went all the way to the Supreme Court."

In May 1983, the night the Supreme Court struck down the California statute that the San Diego police had used to nail Lawson for vagrancy, Lawson, who was called the California Walkman in headline shorthand, was all over the networks, sauntering, as the news programs had it, wherever he pleased. He said at the time, "If you are one of those individuals who, over coffee and the morning paper, says, 'This is terrible. Somebody ought to do something about this,' you will probably see the person who should do something when you look in the mirror to shave."

To this day he keeps his principles handy, as you would a wallet. Born 41 years ago in Buffalo, he remembers blacks rapping in the streets in a time before they were called raps. "They were always saying, 'They won't let me do this.' My frequent comment would be, 'Who are they?' Much of my life has been uncovering that prevailing myth."

Somewhere along the line, Lawson, an odd duck by any measure, got press smart. He knew he was photogenic, he knew he was bright, and he knew his cause was right. Innocent black man arrested for taking a hike? It was a natural. The notoriety his case received has led to his involvement in other "meaningful battles," as he calls them.

Lawson makes a living in an ill-defined sort of way. "I'm neither a butcher, a baker nor a candlestick maker. I do joint ventures with the entertainment industry. I'm a member of the Screen Actors Guild. I wrote a screenplay. I've got a horrendous project involving the integration of entertainment with education. You want to call me a consultant? Will your stomach settle? Okay, I'm a consultant. But really I do whatever the Sam Hill I want to." Lately he has been involved in something called Pro Per Inc., + which is "attempting to de-lawyer and re-people the American court system by encouraging Americans to represent themselves in court." And there is something Lawson calls the "Unauthorized Commission on the Bicentennial of the United States Constitution." He is publishing a biweekly pamphlet called Common Cents, which encourages the common man to celebrate his favorite part of the Constitution in his own way, as opposed to what Lawson sees as a white, snobbish celebration along the Potomac.

"The measure of an advanced civilization is how it treats its worst people, not its best," he says, rising from his bench. "Those who have the most reason to celebrate a Constitution are the poorest. The people in the BART ((Bay Area Rapid Transit)) station. That gentleman asleep on that bench over there." Then Lawson strides away, a man with a purpose.

New York Times

New York Times

About New York; Europe Can Wait: Musician Adopts An S.R.O. Hotel

On his way to Germany from Australia to pursue a career as a classical guitarist, Lloyd Carew-Reid somehow landed at the Kenmore, a dismal single-room occupancy hotel on East 23d Street. His neighbors included many respectable people, low on cash like himself, as well as reputed drug dealers and prostitutes and one woman who seemed to think she was a rooster.

''I couldn't believe it,'' said Mr. Carew-Reid, who had never been to New York before. ''I thought this was what happened to all New Yorkers - it drove them crazy. I thought, 'I've got to get out of here.' ''

Some of the residents had come to their $90-a-week rooms at the hotel between Lexington and Third Avenues from mental institutions. Even for those suffering from only the usual neuroses, life at the hotel, as Mr. Carew-Reid soon learned, was a daily test of will, one that threatened to drive all but the most resilient -or perhaps the most detached - to the brink.

In a building with 22 floors, the elevators were constantly breaking down - and that was a relatively minor problem. Elderly women had their purses grabbed out from under the communal toilet stalls. A man got into a fight with his girlfriend and stabbed her to death. Another woman was raped.

That was 18 months ago. Mr. Carew-Reid never made it to Germany. He was beguiled by Manhattan and, in a strange way, by the Kenmore. He stayed on there, even after he was making enough money playing Mozart in the subways to move to better quarters.

How could he leave? The 37-year-old traveler from Perth had become president of the first Kenmore Hotel Tenants Association and was embroiled in legal battles against the landlord in an attempt to improve conditions at the hotel. ''I keep saying, 'Lloyd, you've got to cut back, you're losing yourself,' '' he said. He was sorting through his legal files in his cramped room on the 20th floor, where his book collection includes ''One Hundred Years of Solitude'' as well as that other classic he swears by - ''Tenants Rights and How to Protect Them.''

His fellow tenants regard Mr. Carew-Reid as their own ''Crocodile Dundee,'' but unlike the movie hero, he does not live at the Plaza.

''He's our guiding light,'' said Mary, a secretary who has lived at the hotel since 1954. ''We trust him.''

''We're blessed to have him,'' said Peggy, an 11-year resident.

''The Kenmore is my family,'' Mr. Carew-Reid said.

Shortly after his arrival, he found a notice of a tenants meeting under his door, and went. It had been called by Norman Silvar, a retired merchant seaman who lived at the Kenmore for 30 years, until his death of a heart attack last summer. Mr. Silvar apparently remained an inspired idealist until the end.

''He had a whole pipe dream,'' Mr. Carew-Reid said. ''He had a computer in his room. He wanted us to write a constitution. He wanted to have floor captains. He was an old union man. He kept telling me, 'Lloyd, you've got to go and get Robert's Rules of Order.' ''

Mr. Carew-Reid did buy Robert's Rules of Order, but he never uses them. This group of tenants has concerns far more pressing than the observance of the proper protocol. ''You cannot organize the Kenmore,'' he said.

The latest meeting was held in the hotel's dirty, windowless lounge, with its neon-green vinyl chairs. The tenants, among them a gentleman dressed only in a black slip, swatted flies as they recited their complaints. The latest hallway mugging was reported. A member of the management stopped by uninvited to suggest that the tenants had sabotaged the elevators by stealing key parts.

Mr. Carew-Reid listened calmly. ''Meditation is the answer,'' he said later. He also finds it helpful to make regular visits to a psychologist, who gives him a break on the fee.

Like most landlord-tenant battles, this one drags on. Progress is measured in small triumphs like the reappearance of the security guards, the repair of the elevators, a steady supply of toilet paper. Constant vigilance is required on the part of the tenants. The Kenmore, according to lawyers at MFY Legal Services, which is handling the tenants' case, is not the worst single room occupancy hotel in the city, nor is it the best.

Mr. Carew-Reid has already won one battle against the bureaucracy. Last year, while playing his guitar in the subways, he was given a summons by the Metropolitan Transit Authority for ''unauthorized noise through a reproduction device.'' He argued First Amendment rights and the charges were dropped.

It is all part of the adventure for this Australian, a former gymnast, dishwasher and accountant, who once worked in a gold mine in the Outback, 200 miles from the nearest town, where summer temperatures reach 120 degrees.

The gold mine turned out to be valuable preparation for Mr. Carew-Reid's experience at the Kenmore. As he put it: ''I'm in the outback of New York here.''

A version of this article appeared in print on Saturday, August 22, 1987, on section 1 page 29 of the New York edition.

Know Your Rights!
A Guide for Subway Musicians & Other Performers

(revised edition, © 2004)

Prepared by Susie Tanenbaum with The Street Performers Advocacy Project and City Lore

PURPOSE OF THIS GUIDE

You have a right to perform in the subways, on the sidewalks and in the parks of New York City. The purpose of this guide is to clarify your rights and responsibilities as public space performers, especially when you are setting up underground. We also hope that officers in the New York Police Department, Station Managers, and hearing officers will find this guide useful when they are implementing New York City Transit regulations permitting subway performances.

The Street Performers' Advocacy Project was formed in 1996 as a coalition of musicians and activists who were united in their belief that street and subway performers make a valuable contribution to this city. They decided that a guide would advance their goal of encouraging spontaneous expression and a sense of community whenever and wherever possible. In the same spirit, we have revised the guide to reflect more recent court rulings and current government policies. Now that the guide is on the web, we hope to update it on a more regular basis.

The sections of this guide are as follows:

SOME HISTORY shows that, as a street performer, you are carrying on a tradition that is as old as civilization itself.

YOUR RIGHTS AND RESPONSIBILITIES outlines the New York City Transit regulations, and explains what you are authorized to do.

COURT DECISIONS IN YOUR FAVOR highlights many of the legal rulings that uphold the rights of street and subway performers.

THE TRANSIT POLICE explains the role of officers underground and suggests some options for dealing with confrontations.

TRANSIT POLICE FACT CHECK is a quick reference so that you know what is true and what is false.

STATION MANAGERS explains their role and suggests ways to handle confrontations.

MUSIC UNDER NEW YORK describes the MTA's music program and how it co-exists with freelance performances.

LEGAL ASSISTANCE lists names of attorneys who have agreed to be contacted for advice.

PERFORMING ON THE STREETS AND IN THE PARKS provides basic information about recent rulings and policies affecting performances in the city's other major public spaces.

OUR VIEWS is where we share with you how we think the rules governing subway music could be improved.

CONFRONTATION SHEETS are intended to help you document problems you might have while performing in public spaces.

Here are some abbreviations that you will come across in this guide:

MTA: Metropolitan Transportation Authority
NYCT: New York City Transit
NYPD: New York Police Department
MUNY: Music Under New York

Please let us know what you think of this guide! You can reach us at: (212) 529-1955 or at Steve@citylore.org. 
Thanks,
Susie Tanenbaum, Street Performers' Advocacy Project
Steve Zeitlin, City Lore

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SOME HISTORY

There have been street performers as long as there have been streets. In ancient Egypt and Greece, people entertained and passed the hat for donations. During the Middle Ages—in Europe, troubadours were the personal street performers of the aristocrats, while minstrels and jongleurs brought joy to the general public.

In colonial America, twelve-year-old Benjamin Franklin sang on the streets of Philadelphia! At the turn of the century, immigrants helped to make street performing popular in New York. There were German marching bands and Italian organ grinders—"hurdy gurdies"—who serenaded women below their tenement windows and during the Great Depression, banjo players set up on subway and elevated platforms.

Government authorities never knew exactly what to make of street performing. They seemed to think its spontaneity was a threat to law and order. In the 1930s, New York Mayor Fiorello LaGuardia called them beggars (he defended the poor but disapproved of panhandling), and he made it illegal to perform on New York City's streets. 

Although street performing was allowed once again after 1970, subway performances were illegal until the 1980s. And yet the elevated and underground subway platforms were not quiet. Artists still expressed themselves and attracted an audience underground. In the 1940s, for example, Woody Guthrie, Pete Seeger, and others involved in the growing Urban Folk Revival Movement pulled out guitars while waiting for their trains. Not only did they reclaim public space, they believed that songs could change social conditions.

In the early 1960s, young African American and Italian American men sang doo-wop inside subway cars and received donations from appreciative riders. In 1987, with the creation of an official MUNY (Music Under New York) program, public performers have been re-recognized by authorities. The program is now funded and directed by the MTA Arts for Transit office.

Whether you were raised in New York City or in a country with its own street performing tradition, you are helping to carry on a venerable urban tradition.

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YOUR RIGHTS AND RESPONSIBILITIES

YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO PERFORM IN THE NEW YORK CITY SUBWAY SYSTEM
The New York City Transit (NYCT) is the subdivision of the Metropolitan Transportation Authority (MTA) that operates the city's subways and buses. The NYCT authorizes these types of free expression in subway stations:

"Public speaking; distribution of written materials; solicitation for charitable, religious or political causes; and artistic performances, including the acceptance of donations [emphasis added]."

The statement we just quoted comes from Section 1050.6 (c) of the New York City Transit rules and regulations governing "non-transit use of transit facilities". As a consequence of the regulations, these activities are also protected by the First Amendment of the United States Constitution [See the end of this guide for the full text of the regulations]. Government (in this case, the NYCT) can only regulate the time, place, or manner in which the activities are presented, and only if restricting them advances a substantial government interest. This translates into the following restrictions on performances:

• setting up at least 25 feet from a token booth

• setting up at least 50 feet from the marked entrance to an NYCT office or tower

• not blocking access to an escalator, stairwell or elevator

• not interfering with transit services or passenger movement in general

• not performing in an area where construction is underway

• not performing during a public service announcement

• not performing above 85 dBa measured at 5 feet, or above 70 dBa measured at 2 feet, from a token booth

• not performing in subway cars

YOU DO NOT NEED A MUNY PERMIT TO PERFORM IN THE SUBWAYS
Some subway performers are members of the MTA's Music Under New York program, also known as MUNY. Other performers are independent, and in this guide we refer to them as freelancers.

MUNY schedules performances on designated mezzanines in the subway system and commuter railroad terminals. You have to pass an audition to become a member of MUNY. Twice a month, MUNY members receive a schedule ("permit"), which gives them priority in the spots where they are scheduled to perform. You do not have to be a MUNY member to perform in the subway system! Also, MUNY has nothing to do with subway platforms.

YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO PERFORM ACOUSTIC MUSIC ON SUBWAY PLATFORMS
Freelancers are authorized to perform on subway platforms. But the NYCT prohibits the use of amplification devices on platforms, including battery-operated Mouse amps and microphones. Freelancers, just like MUNY members, may use amplification when they perform on subway mezzanines.

NO CASSETTE TAPE OR CD SALES: Neither MUNY members nor freelancers are authorized to sell recordings in the subway system. Many of them do anyway, and they risk getting ticketed by the Transit Police or having their work confiscated.

YOU CAN FREELANCE IN PARTS OF GRAND CENTRAL TERMINAL
Freelancers can request a special "permit to engage in non-commercial activity" to perform in Grand Central Terminal's 42nd Street Passage or in the Graybar Passage. Requests have to be made at least 2 days in advance. The permits are good for 7 days. Write to: General Superintendent, Metro-North Commuter Railroad Company, Grand Central Terminal, 89 East 42nd Street, New York, NY 10017.

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COURT DECISIONS IN YOUR FAVOR

By the 1970s, street performers in many U.S. cities were going to court to have their Constitutional rights upheld. Here are some highlights:

  • Goldstein v. Town of Nantucket 477 F.Supp. 606 (D. Mass. 1979) established that street music, even when performed for donations, is protected First Amendment activity: "The fact that plaintiff troubadour accepted contributions of passersby during his public performance would not dilute his protection under the First Amendment."
  • In Davenport v. Alexandria, Va. 683 F2d 853 (1983), 748 F2d 208 (1984), the court held that there were no valid safety arguments to stop musicians from performing: "There has been shown no safety interest to outweigh the plaintiff's First Amendment interests."
  • As for the New York subways, already in the 1960s People v. St. Clair 56 Misc.2d 326 (Criminal Ct. N.Y. Cty. 1968) ruled that "for First Amendment purposes, no distinction can be wrought between a subway platform and the public street."

Still, until 1985, musical performances were not permitted in New York's subway system. Then guitarst Roger Manning received a ummons on the Lexington Avenue & 59th Street platform for "entertaining passengers", which he challenged in Manhattan Criminal Court. The case became known as People v. Manning Docket No. 5N038025V (Criminal Ct. N.Y. Cty. 1985). In this case, the court decided that the total ban on subway music "was unconstitutionally violative of the First and Fourteenth Amendments of the United States Constitution."

In 1989, the Transit Authority (the old name of the NYCT) proposed to ban music on subway platforms. At some remarkable public hearings, musicians, subway riders, politicians, and civil liberties attorneys spoke, sang, and juggled in opposition to the ban. The Transit Authority listened, but it banned amplification devices on platforms instead.

Guitarist Lloyd Carew-Reid, who had formed an organization called STAR, Subway Troubadours Against Repression, challenged the amp ban in court. Carew-Reid v. Metropolitan Transportation Authority, 1990 WL 3216 at 6 (S.D.N.Y. 1996), was the first federal case to affirm that "the TA [Transit Authority] has designated the subway platforms as public forums for musical expression."

Still, the Second Circuit Court of Appeals upheld the Transit Authority's right to impose the amp ban on platforms, which remains in effect today.

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THE TRANSIT POLICE

The Transit Police Bureau is a subdivision of the New York Police Department. Transit Police officers are responsible for enforcing the NYCT rules and regulations.

Many officers are friendly to subway performers, and some really appreciate the way a performance can brighten up the subway environment. At the same time, the police are allowed to use their discretion in implementing the NYCT regulations. So, if a performer is not playing by one of the rules, officers can decide whether to let it go, issue a warning or a ticket, eject the performer from the station, or even put the performer under arrest.

If you have a confrontation with the police—if they tell you to change the way you are performing, move you, or tell you to leave—you still have options.

Objecting: You may want to assert your rights by raising objections with the officers. Be aware, however, that in doing this, you may run a greater risk of receiving a summons, having your property confiscated, being charged with "disorderly conduct", or getting arrested.

Complying: Another way of asserting your rights is to comply with the officers' orders (doing what they say) for the moment and to challenge their actions in court later.

Here are some other options, depending upon the situation.

Volume: If the police stop you for playing above the 85-decibel volume limit and you think they're wrong, you can say that you want them to measure your volume with a decibel meter. Their district command should have a decibel meter.

Harassment: If you feel that the police are treating you unfairly or using excess force, take down their badge numbers. Also, ask riders standing nearby if they are willing to be your witnesses, and if they are, take down their names and phone numbers. Use one of the Confrontation Sheets on this web site to collect all of the information. Then you can call one of the attorneys listed on this web site for further advice.

If you get a ticket, make sure you show up in court or respond by mail before the court date. Most tickets require performers to appear either at the Transit Adjudication Bureau at 505 Fulton Street in Brooklyn, or in Criminal Court at 100 Centre Street in Manhattan. It is difficult to challenge a ticket if it charges you with violating one of the NYCT rules, but check the ticket for errors. You can also contact one of the attorneys on this web site for advice.

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TRANSIT POLICE FACT CHECK

During our research, we learned from many of you that some Transit Police officers get the rules wrong. Be aware of what's false and what's true!

FALSE: You need a MUNY permit to perform in the subways.
TRUE: Everyone has a right to perform in the subways, subject only to time?place?manner regulations.

FALSE: You can perform, but not for donations.
TRUE: You are authorized to perform and accept donations.

FALSE: No music is allowed on subway platforms.
TRUE: Acoustic music is allowed on platforms. Acoustic or amplified music is allowed on mezzanines.

FALSE: Subway music is banned at certain stations.
TRUE: Transit Police officers have the discretion to decide whether or not to enforce regulations. They may also tell musicians to lower their volume or to stop performing for a while, for instance, during rush hours. But they can not keep musicians out of a station permanently.

If you feel that some officers are misenforcing the rules, show them this guide!

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STATION MANAGERS

Station Managers are the NYCT employees responsible for monitoring the "quality of life" of their stations. They do this by overseeing any necessary repairs or renovations and by providing customer service to subway riders.

Some performers have reported at least as many confrontations with Station Managers as with the Transit Police. Station Managers do not have the authority to give you tickets, but they have the same discretion as police officers to tell you to lower your volume, or to stop performing at times when an area of the station is very crowded.

Here are a few things you can do in confrontations with Station Managers:

Objecting: You always have the option of raising objections. Just realize that this may lead to an escalation of the conflict.

Complying: Instead of objecting, you can comply with the orders, and use the Confrontation Sheets on this web site to write down everything that happened. Then you can contact one of the attorneys on this web site for advice on how to proceed.

Educating: Show the Station Managers a copy of this guide, and specifically Section 1050.6 (c) of the NYCT rules and regulations. They might appreciate learning something about the rules that they didn't know before!

Reporting: If none of these steps resolve the situation and you believe you're being treated unfairly by a Station Manager, you can "complain to the boss"— write to the NYCT President, Lawrence Reuter, at New York City Transit, 370 Jay Street, Brooklyn, NY 11201. Or contact us at City Lore! [steve@citylore.org]

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MUSIC UNDER NEW YORK (MUNY)

What it is
MUNY is a program of the Metropolitan Transportation Authority (MTA), the agency that oversees the NYCT. The MUNY program schedules performances on a number of mezzanines, in two commuter railroad terminals—Grand Central Terminal and Penn Station—, in Yankee Stadium and Shea Stadium, and in the Duffy Square traffic triangle above ground in Times Square. MUNY has nothing to do with the subway platforms. [http://www.mta.nyc.ny.us/mta/aft/munyfacts1.htm]

How to apply
To become a member of MUNY, you have to audition and be accepted. Call (212) 878-4678 to arrange an audition. The auditions are held only once a year and the MUNY program is asking applicants for an audio tape or a video of their performances ahead of time. Please be aware that a great audition doesn't guarantee you a place in MUNY; the program only has space for about 10-20 new members a year. But once you're accepted, you're in—your membership doesn't expire.

How it works
MUNY members request spots twice a month. They receive schedules printed up on cards that are often referred to as "permits", listing the locations and the times at which they are scheduled to perform.

Membership Advantages
Priority in popular spots: If independent, "freelance" performers are in your spot when you are scheduled to set up, you can ask them to leave.

Access to commuter railroad terminals: Only MUNY members are authorized to perform on Grand Central Terminal's lower level and in Penn Station's Long Island Rail Road waiting area.

Less police harassment: Since MUNY members have been scheduled by an official program, the police are less likely to tell them to move. If MUNY members do get harassed, they can report incidents to the MUNY program and ask for help.

Cassette tape and CD sales in commuter railroad terminals: MUNY members may legally sell cassette tapes and CDs in the terminals.

Special events: The MUNY program holds special events during the year, and MUNY members are paid a small stipend to be a part of them.

Referrals: Corporations and individuals call the program to find out how to contact and hire MUNY members.

Rules and restrictions
MUNY members are subject to the NYCT regulations just as freelance performers are. In addition:

Permits and banners: MUNY members are expected to hang their orange-and-black banners behind them when they perform. They must show their official schedules ("permits") to police officers or Station Managers when asked. They are not supposed to display any other visual devices (such as photos of themselves).

No cassette tape or CD sales on mezzanines: Just like freelance performers, MUNY members are not authorized to sell cassette tapes or CDs in the subway system. Many of them do anyway, and they risk getting ticketed by the Transit Police or having their work confiscated. When this happens, the people who run MUNY generally can not help their members in court.

Contract waiver: MUNY members must sign a contract that requires them to give up certain rights in case of accidents.

Many MUNY members "double" as freelancers when they are not scheduled to perform with MUNY. This is allowed.

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LEGAL ASSISTANCE

The following attorneys and organizations are willing to be contacted if you have confrontations with the police or experience other problems during your public space performances. Please call or write them for advice:

Marni Berk, Esq.
Director of Pro Bono Programs
New York Lawyers for the Public Interest
151 West 30th Street, New York, NY 10001
(212) 244-4664

Paul Chevigny, Esq., Professor of Law
New York University School of Law
Vanderbilt Hall, 40 Washington Square South, New York, NY 10012
(212) 998-6249

Art Eisenberg, Esq.
New York Civil Liberties Union (NYCLU)
125 Broad Street, New York, NY 10004
(212) 344-3005

Gene Russianoff, Staff Attorney
New York Public Interest Research Group (NYPIRG)
9 Murray Street, New York, NY 10007
(212) 349-6460

For legal advice on matters other than performing in the subways and on the streets, you can contact one of these Legal Services offices:

Manhattan — (212) 431-7209
Brooklyn — (718) 237-5500
Queens — (718) 392-5646

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PERFORMING ON THE STREETS AND IN THE PARKS

Streets and parks are traditional public forums, places which "by long tradition or government fiat have been devoted to assembly or debate." [Perry Education Association v. Perry Educators' Association, 460 U.S. 37, 45-46 (1983)] This means that you definitely have a constitutional right to express yourself in them.

Streets
Since the 1970s, musicians have not needed a license to sing or play on the streets of New York, but now there is a sound amplification permit requirement. Street performers who use amplification devices are required to apply for a permit from the local police precinct Community Affairs Office overseeing the area where they wish to perform. The permit costs $45 a day, and musicians are expected to apply for it 7 days before they perform.

During the 1990s, a street musician went to court to challenge these regulations. In Turley v. Police Department of the City of New York, Robert Turley argued that the city's sound amplification permit system was overly restrictive and unconstitutional. The Second Circuit upheld the city's policy with regard to amplified music. Robert Turley may be appealing this decision to the Supreme Court.

Turley also argued that New York City's vendor permitting scheme violated his right to free speech and denied him equal protection of the law because he was effectively barred form selling cassette tapes and CDs during his performances. The court rejected Turley's argument, because it found that the city's permitting scheme satisfied the conditions for meeting a "legitimate government interest."

The sound amplification permit requirement is not enforced consistently throughout the city. Some amplified musicians continue to perform without this permit. Some also continue to sell cassette tapes and CDs. They risk getting ticketed by the police, or possibly having their work confiscated.

Parks
Parks Department regulations require street performers to apply for the same sound amplification permit from the local police precinct, if the performance in question can be heard outside the immediate area.

In addition, the Parks Department requires performers to obtain a $25 Special Events permit, at least 21 to 30 days in advance, if either of these conditions apply:

 the performance is expected to draw a large crowd (over 20 people) 
• the performer wants to set up in a particular location

A single Special Events permit can cover 3 dates in different locations, or up to a full month (every day) in a specific location. Permits are granted subject to availability and if the Parks Department deems the location to be appropriate for the performance. In general, performers are also expected to comply with Parks Department rules and regulations, which can be found on the web site:www.nyc.gov/parks.

To obtain the Special Events permit, you have to fill out a one-page application and submit it in person, by mail, or on the Internet. The application is available as a link on the Parks Department's web site: www.nyc.gov/parks. The office address is: Borough Permit Office, New York City Department of Parks & Recreation, 24 West 61st Street (between Broadway & Columbus Circle), 5th Floor, New York, NY 10023. Subway: A B, C, D, 1, 9 to Coulmbus Circle Station. Fax: 212-408-0236. Hours: 10am-5pm Mon-Fri (other times for appointment).

If your request for a Special Events permit is denied, you can appeal the decision to the Parks Department's legal office. Normally, these problems are resolved through negotiation.

If you intend to have vendors at, sell anything at, charge for, or conduct any other revenue-generating activity at your event on parkland, you will require a Temporary Use Authorization (TUA) (PDF, 16 KB) from Parks' Revenue and Concessions Division. For more information about TUAs, call (212) 360-1397.

For specific information about Parks Department regulations outside of Manhattan, you can contact the Borough Parks Offices directly:

Bronx - (718) 430-1847
Brooklyn - (718) 965-8912
Queens - (718) 520-5941
Staten Island - (718) 390-8023
Manhattan - (212) 408-0226 (Recording)
Citywide - (212) 360-1319

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OUR VIEWS

In the previous sections of this guide, we aimed to make you aware of the existing regulations governing public space performances, especially as these apply to the subways. Now we want to share with you how we feel the rules could be improved.

* ALLOW AMPLIFIED MUSIC ON SUBWAY PLATFORMS. The authorities argue that amplified music on the platforms produces "excessive noise", which they say interferes with transit operations and reduces public safety. But another argument, which we agree with, is that unamplified instruments such as drums and horns can be just as loud as amplified guitars and vocals. According to this view, the amp ban should be lifted and the NYCT's volume limit could be uniformly enforced with the use of a decibel meter.

* ALLOW THE SALE OF CASSETTE TAPES AND CDs IN THE SUBWAY SYSTEM. We support the argument advanced in Carew-Reid v. MTA that sales of cassette tapes and CDs are an extension of the performers' creative expression. Aside from this, a commercial licensing system can be set up for performers to sell their own recordings. Such a permitting scheme was discussed at the end of the Carew-Reid case, but there was no follow-up. It is not too late to explore such an arrangement.

* MAKE THE SOUND AMPLIFICATION PERMIT AFFORDABLE FOR STREET PERFORMERS. The fee (see the section entitled PERFORMING ON THE STREETS AND IN THE PARKS) is more than some performers earn in one day. If a sound amplification permit is required, we feel that it has to be affordable so that it does not prevent some performances from occurring in the first place.

* MAKE THE SPECIAL EVENTS PERMIT READILY AVAILABLE. The Parks Department requirement to give at least 21 days' advance notice should be reviewed to ensure that it does not result in a "chilling effect" and eliminate spontaneity—a hallmark of street performing since it began centuries ago.

WHAT DO YOU THINK?

We would like to know how you feel the rules governing street and subway performances are working, and also about your experiences as public space performers. You can reach us at City Lore by phone at (212) 529-1955, or by email, steve@citylore.org.

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CONFRONTATION SHEET
PDF version to print

Your Name: ___________________________________
Your Telephone Number: ________________________

INCIDENT (Please check as many as apply):
__ Stopped 
__ Ejected 
__ Ticketed 
__ Harassed 
__ Other: 

Date: _______________________
Time: _______________________
Place: _______________________

WHO WAS INVOLVED:
Name: ___________________________
Title/Badge # if any: ________________

Name: ___________________________
Title/Badge # if any: ________________

Name: ___________________________
Title/Badge # if any: ________________ 


WITNESSES (Please include riders and other performers)
Name: ____________________________________
Telephone Number: _________________________

Name: ____________________________________
Telephone Number: _________________________

Name: ____________________________________
Telephone Number: _________________________

WHAT HAPPENED (Please describe briefly below)
__________________________________________________________________
__________________________________________________________________
__________________________________________________________________
__________________________________________________________________
__________________________________________________________________

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SOURCES

Baird, Stephen. Street Artists Guild newsletters.

Campbell, Patricia. Passing the Hat: Street Performers in America. New York: Delacorte, 1981.

Harrison-Pepper, Sally. Drawing a Circle in the Square: Street Performing in New York's Washington Square Park. Mississippi: University of Mississippi Press, 1990.

Tanenbaum, Susie. Underground Harmonies: Music and Politics in the Subways of New York. Ithaca: Cornell University Press, 1995.

SPECIAL THANKS TO:

Arthur Eisenberg, Esq., Executive Director, New York Civil Liberties Union, for his extraordinary assistance in updating this guide

Alan Silver, Esq., NYCLU Fellow, for his extensive research

Stephen Baird, Street Artists Guild; Paul Chevigny, Esq., NYU Law School; Gene Russianoff, Esq., Staff Attorney, New York Public Interest Research Group; and George Sommers, Esq., for their indispensable advice

The original SPAP: Jorge Cabrera, Candace Kim Edel, Bruce Edwards, Eric John, Marcial Olascuaga, Robert T. Perry, Benjamin Salazar, Naomi Schrag, Ricardo Silva, and Steven Witt

Written by Susie Tanenbaum and edited by Steve Zeitlin

Photographs by Jason McConathy

Website publishing by Makalé Faber

Public programs, audience expansion, and long-range institutional development at City Lore are made possible by a major grant from the Lila Wallace-Reader's Digest Fund. Funding for this project has been provided by the Puffin Foundation and the Joyce Mertz Gillmore Foundation.

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Purpose of this Guide | Some History | Your Rights & Responsibilities | Court Decisions in your Favor | The Transit Police | Transit Police Fact Check | Station Managers | Music Under New York | Legal Assistance | Performing on the Streets and in the Parks | Our Views | What do You Think? | Confrontation Sheets | Sources | Special Thanks

Carew-Reid v. Metropolitan Transportation Auth., 903 F2d 914 (2nd Cir. 1990);

 

UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS

FOR THE SECOND CIRCUIT

no. 1172 AUGUST TERM, 1989

Argued March 7, 1990 Decided May 18, 1990

 

Docket No. 90-7143

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