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Attention: Managers and controllers of Wikipedia and to who it may concern The new page entitled Australian Weekend News is factual and truthful description and history of the Australian Weekend News newspaper masthead that originated from Western Australia as the Weekend News, the oldest newspaper in Western Australia, was taken over by Stephen Carew-Reid in the interests of the Australian people. To remove the truth and factual account would be helping the powerful people that do not want the Australian Weekend News to be known as an established truly independent newspaper that that is there for the people of Australia to have a say form all sides of the fence. The struggle that Stephen Carew-Reid has had in trying to re-establish the over 100 year old newspaper Western Australian Newspaper that was known as the Weekend News for over 100 years into an Australia wide newspaper is all part of the history of the Australian Weekend News. To stop this story being aired on Wikapedia is to help the main stream media, controlled by a powerful few, like Rupert Murdoch's 500 billion dollar company News Limited and the powerful West Australian Newspaper Holdings Limited that control the only daily newspaper in Western Australia, after deleiverately closing down the only daily opposition newspaper, the original Daily News its Friday/Weekend Edition, the Weekend News, rather than selling it for millions as a going concern, just because the then Trade Practices Commisisoners Bob Baxt told the then owners of Western Australian Newspaper Holdings Ltd, well know businessman Robert Homes a Court and then later well know businessman Allan Bond, who had always historically controlled both the morning Western Australian Newspaper, The West Australian, and the alternative daily afternoon and weekend newspapers the Daily News and the Weekend News, that they could no longer be allowed under Australian Federal Monopolies Law that that Western Australian Newspaper Holdings Ltd could no longer control and own all three Western Australian Newspapers, the West Australian, the Daily News and the Weekend News. They were told to sell the Daily News and the Weekend News. Instead of selling them for millions of dollars and maybe even for a billion dollars, to an independent media and/or investment group as going concern newspapers, they chose to quietly move the running of the Daily and Weekend News into a $2 shelf company change its name to Daily News Pty Ltd run up over $16 million in unpaid printing and other bills and use it as a slush fund to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars to ghost employees that did not exist in reality, knowing that the company was eventually going to be put into liquidation and the books buried by a well paid friendly powerful liquidator called Mr Norgard, and finally publicly announce a couple of year later in the well respected Western Australian Newspaper the West Australian, that is also commonly known in Western Australia as "The Bible", because what news is reported in the West Australian is meant to have the creditabiity of what is said in the bible, and if it is not reported in the West Australian Newspaper, then it is considered not the truth and/or did not happen at all. For Wikapedia to refuse to allow the article of the description and history and background of the Australian Weekend News newspasper masthead to be published on the Wikapedia WebSite, is to support the protection of the only opposition newspaper to the Australian Weekend Newspaper in Western Australia, run by the main steam media run by people like Rupert Murdoch and his over $500 billion media company and other powerful media and investor like Kerry Stokes and his powerful Channel 7 Television Network sand their powerful connections, who effectively control the publication if the West Australian Daily Newspaper, and the Western Australian Sunday Times owned by Rupert Murdoch's News Limited, and their joinly controled local newspaper Group (50% each so that it effectively gets around the monopolies laws in Australian that will not allow either newspaper owner to have effective control of any other newspaper in Western Australia. For Wickipedia to remove and destroy this article and refuse to allow this article to be pushing in the Wickipeda Website that is in the public interest showing the truth about the description, development and history of the Australian News is evidence that what media scholar Robert W. McChesney who founded www.freepress.net are saying about people like Rupert Murdoch and Kerry Stokes, who control the powerful main stream media companies such as News Limited and Western Australian Newspaper Holdings Ltd "has been described by one of Rupert Murdoch's outspoken critics media scholar Robert W. McChesney, who launched www.FreePress.net with the help of journalist John Nichols and executive director Josh Silver, in late 2002 by media scholar Robert W. McChesney,critics at www.freepress.net as just been interested in junk journalism for the pure greed and profit motive. See:Rupert Murdoch just bought the Wall Street Journal=//www.youtube.com/watch?v=mf8Gi3SwfxY. Media scholar Robert W. McChesney who founded www.freepress.net is publicly trying to expose the rich and powerful few taking over all the smaller hard copy and online newspapers, internet, cable, and main stream television channels because they have access to what media scholar Robert W. McChesney calls "Wads if Cash", and sacking all the independent investigative journalists in the aim of making hight profits with few journalists by using what media scholar Robert W. McChesney calls Cheap Junk Syndicated News" provided cheaply by the main stream wholesale world news providers, such Australian Associated Press and Reuters. The news provided by these powerful wholesale newsagencies in junk and sanitized news that is used by powerful media companies like News Limited to sanitise the Iraq War to the American People as a favour for the US Bush Administration, in return for all sorts of political, business and financial favours to Rupert's all powerful News Limited. In closing the chose is up to Wickipedia to chose if it was to also become known as the junk and sanitised news and information website that only publishes articles that are accepted by the powerful mainstream people, politicians, legal and courts systems and powerful media groups that want control of everything we read and see each day for various reasons, that do not just include the pure profit motive, such as to hide important information from the average person that their powerful connections do not want known. It all becomes about "Greed, Money, Power and Mind Control..Its Frightening.. Packer and Murdoch Control 40% of Australia's Information" That was the headline of an article pushed in the Australian Weekend News in 1987. The article goes on to say the follow: " According to a Financial Review estimate, the Rupert Murdoch and Kerry Packerss companies have such s lock on the Australian Media Game, that their two companies' of various print and electonic outlets supply 40% of Australia's information. According to Angela Chan, chairperson of the Ethnic Communities Council of New South Wales, ownership of a major television network and newspaper by the same company could amount to "Thought Control..it's frightening.". Says Jock Given, director ofthe Communications Law Centre in Sydney, "If you have both the top rated TV network and No.2 newspaper publisher, and line that up with what Murdoch already controls, then I think that is very disturbing." Were the media to become overly concentrated, says Schartzman, new ideas might never be formed, much less expressed: " A free market of ideas is generally deemed to generate the most efficient and truly representative democratic process. If new ideas are not readily available to be passed around, chewed over, modified, the process doesn't work.". David Talbot, editor and CEO of Salon Magazine, a WebZine of arts and ideas, features editor at the San Francisco Examiner stated when asked his view on Print Vs The Web, "Print magazines have become isolated in their Manhattan Towers, cut off form the readers. They're too formatted, too bottom-line driven, too much like one asnother. Daily daily newspapers have become bland, politically correct, monopolistic institutions. Where are the crusading mudrakers and colourful columnists? The press has forgotten how to provoke, entertain, which is why it's haemorrhaging readers to the Internet. I look for the talent of tomorrow to emerge on line." The article goes on to say, " There is no doubt that the average mainstream hard copy newspaper sold at newsagents has lost the art of truly entertaining it's readers and is no longer allowed to be provocative by it's editors for far of suddenly been given their termination notice It is a well known fact in the media industry that editors are expected to know what is wanted from then by the owners without having to be actually regularly told. Major newspapersn are seen by the average reader as effectively controlled by multinationak coorporations and big business who are behind the scenes involved with supporting one political party or another and/or one big business entity or another. It is becoming very rare to see in the print media any such thing as truly independent investigative journalism anywhere in the world. Australian has an even more deep rooted problem in this regards. This is partly caused by Australia's isolation, partly caused by the power bases whom effectively control Australia, taking advantage of the easy going nature of Australian and partly because there is simply no truly independent media outlet in Australia where the average Australian can have a say when they feel that their country is not being run on a fair and equitable basis by those who have assumed control of the legal sand political system in Australia. A system hat is meant to belong to all Australians, and not just a select and powerful few. The Australian Weekend News ( formerly Western Australia,s most loved Weekend News) and International News Limited is set to start reversing this unhealthy trend with the help of your continued support, which will be aqppreciatred by the forthcoming generations of Australians who will want the opportunity of open free speech which may not be available to them unless a truly independent Australia Wide newspaper is established while there is group of people willing to take the established media power bases on. This may be the last chance for a truly independent mainstream newspaper to be established." 

                       Yes!!!! USAWeeekend News Readers...

 the powerful people in the media, publishing business, politcial, judicial, courts, police, public prosecution, legal, public trustee, government servants, the powerful West Australian newspaper etc world have even managed to have all the above articles completed removed from Wikipedia, as though the edit to the article on the Perth-Western Australian Daily-Weekdend News Page 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daily_News_(Perth,_Western_Australia)#Later_years
never existed,  just like the seven volumes of the books "Triumph of Truth (Who's Watching The Watchers?), written by Stephen Carew-Reid and published by the Australian Weekend News, were completely dectroyed and removed from all records of the Wesatern Australian Batty Library, known as the Alexander Resource Library, after they we purchased with money belonging to the Western Australian people. by the library and cateloged onto the library's computer index under "corruption in the political, police, public trustee, courts, legal, government, public proescutuon, judges , magistrates world etc"
...and just like the original manucripts of the seven volumes of  "Triumph of Truth (Who's Watching The Watchers?),  were stolen by Senior Detectives Sergent Gregory Stormont and Barry Zerner, on behalf of the Queensland Police Force and the Queensland Government and others, from 6 Earl Court Tallai, known as the Hollywood Hills of the Gold Coast in Queensland.
The mystery and plot thickens as to why these power people and organisations want to stop the information in these books being made publicly available, and stop the public from ever even knowing that Stephen Carew-Reid fought so hard to keep the over 150 year old Western Australian Daily-Weekend newspaper going in Western Australian and developed into an Australia wide weekend newspaper called the 
                                                     
                                               Australian Weekend News.


Click here for further information of this story  or please go to http://www.whoiswatchingthewatchers.com/

The USA Weekly News investigative team have discovered that the person that removed the above articles and edits to the Perth Western Australian Daily-Weekend News
page in Wikipedia, calls himself Moondyne, and was originally in the administratin section of Wikipedia, which is an unpaid job, and since 2003 when he resigned from from being on the adminteam of Wikipedia,

he became a full time writer for Wikipedia, writing and editing thousands of artilces all about people, places, history, courts, sport, general news, media, crime, politics, etc from his rural property in Moolibeenie,

near Gingin in Western Australia, which is about one hour from Perth, the capital city of Western Australia. In fact Moondyne was the person that posted the first edit of  Perth Western Australian Daily-Weekend News

page in Wikipedia, and complete most of the other minor edits completed by other part time editors of Wikipedia.
This is the original article that Moondyne was responcible for creating

Daily News (Perth, Western Australia)

Origins

One of the early newspapers of the Western Australian colony was The Inquirer, established by Francis Lochee and William Tanner on 5 August 1840. Lochee became sole proprietor and editor in 1843 until May 1847 when he sold the operation to the paper's former compositor Edmund Stirling.

In July 1855, The Inquirer acquired the recently established Commercial News and Shipping Gazette owned by J R Sholl. The papers were merged and renamed to the Inquirer and Commercial News which ran as a weekly until 28 June 1901 under joint ownership of Stirling and Sholl. Sholl departed and, from April 1873, the paper was produced by Stirling and his three sons, John, Fred and Horace, trading as Stirling & Sons. Edmund Stirling retired five years later and the three sons took control as Stirling Bros.

The Stirling Bros launched the Daily News in July 1882 and, in 1901, the Inquirer and Commercial News was incorporated into the single publication known as the Daily News.

A Saturday edition was published as the Weekend News and the "Weekend Magazine" of the Daily News was later incorporated into The West Australian.

Later years

Competition from television evening news resulted in losses in circulation and eventual cessation of most Australian afternoon newspapers. The Daily News came to be a wholly-owned subsidiary of

West Australian Newspapers (WAN), formerly itself a subsidiary of the Melbourne-based Herald and Weekly Times organisation. In the late 1980s, WAN was acquired by the ill-fated Bond Corporation's subsidiary the Bell Group. On 2 May, 1990,^[2] British publishing magnate Robert Maxwell's UK-based Mirror Group bought 14.9 per cent of Bell from the group's managing director, Mr David Aspinall.

However, the deal did not proceed, being opposed by the federal government under its media foreign ownership policy.^[3][4]. The WA Inc state government was activated to legislate to retrospectively place

the Daily News beyond the decision of the (federal) Trade Practices Commission—a move which the Opposition condemned as prejudicial to Commonwealth-State relations.^[5]The paper was then defunct

and in receivership, owing over $15 million, mainly to The West Australian for production costs. Maxwell's bizarre death by drowning occurred on 1 November, 1991.

WAN was the subject of a successful stock-market float in 1992 following closure of the Daily News.

This article left many gaps into the real history of the real reason for the liquidation of the old Daily-Weekend News in Perth, Western Australia, and the left out many details as to how Daily News Pty Ltd was liquidated and how Ross Norgard, of Arthur Andersonm Auditors, the liquidator appointed by the Bell Group, who owned Daily News Pty Ltd which iriginally published the Daily News,the Weekend News, and

also the West Australian Newspaper. had instructions from the Bell Group, his bosses, that he was not to allow any independant publishing group and/or business people to purchase the Daily and Weekend News from him. In fact some of the real facts that are missing from the Perth Western Australian Daily-Weekend News page in Wikipedia include that it was publshed on page 2 of the West Australian in an article

written by the West Australian newspaper hatchet man Robert Taylor in his column Inside Cover, tyat Stephen Caew-Reid had origianlly offered $1,000,010 for  Daily News Pty Ltd which was to include

all the accounts and records of Daily News Pty Ltd, the newspaper mastheads of the Daily News and the Weekend News. The way the article was written, was done to try and discredit this $1 million  offer

for Daily News Pty Ltd. In fact, even though it is on public record in the West Australian newpsaper of the fact that Stephen Carew-Reid made the offer of $1,000,010 for the comany known as Daily News Pty Ltd,

that is varifiable for Wijipedia as a reference to support placing this information into Wikipedia, the tone of the article caused extreme public embarrasment for Stephen Carew-Reid who had an appointment

that day with the peopple tha run the Morning Star Newspaper in Malaysia, who were looking at giving $2 million dollars to Stephen Carew-Reid  for 20% of the new compamny he was forming to take over the publishig of the Daily-Weekend News.
Because of the nasty and embarrassing tone of the article written by Robert Taylor, about Stephen Carew-Reid's $1,00,010 offer to buy the company Daily News Pty Ltd, the business people that ran

the Morning Star cancelled the appointment they had with Stephen Carew-Reid that day and thus did not put in the end offer to put the $2 millio into the Daily-Weekend News project with Stephen Carew-Reid.
The evidence is fairly clear and obvious, that Moondyne, is one of these people the Governments and other powerful people and organisations in a town, like Perth, who work on a paid full time basis for

the government  and other powerful people and organisations like the West Australian Newspaper Group that run and publish the West Austraolian newspaper in Perth, Western Australia, to create

and edit artcles in Wikipedia, abuot subjects that Moondyne is told to right about and the information in these Wikipedia artilces are based on the type of impression that the Governments and other

powerful people and organisations in Perth, Western Australia, like the West Australian Newspaper Group, that run and publish the West Austraolian newspaper in Perth, Western Australia, want in

these artilces, thus creating the written history they way they want people to remember it as to what has happened in the past, and in many instances it s not the truth and a lot of information is missing

and left out. Also in Western Australia it is even more easier to bend the truth in Wikipedia by referencing the articles written to articles written in the West Australian Newspaper, which is in effect

the only daily newspaper in Western Australia. In particular, with the subject matter of the old Daily-Weekend News closure and the continuation of these old 150 year old newspapers by Stephen Carew-Reid

unde rthe new name, Australian Weekend News, which has continued to from the 1980-90's till today in the form of online publications under a number of different Internet domain names over the years,  and collections edition published in hard copy, it it easy for journalist paid by the West Australian 
(which has so much public creditability, that it is commonly known as "The Bible", because in Western Australia, it is generally considered by the average person that  what ever is written in the West Australian is on the gospel truth, and if a subject matter and/or an event is not mentioned in West Australian Newspaper "The Bible", then that event it did not in fact happen)
to write biased, untruthful, misleading, and/or half true articles and also ones where the facts mentioned are in a around about way true, however the article provides a completely false picture as to the

true pictiure of an event because the article deliberately leaves out a lot of relevant information. Leaving out relavent information in a letter and/or article is a just as strong form of untuth as

including facts that are untrue.
Going back to Moondyne and the thousands of quite detailed and very detailed researched articles he has written and/or edited  in Wikipedia since the year 2003, about subjects specificly about Perth, Western Australian and Western Australians, there is no way Moondyne is doing this on a part time honouray basis. and there is no doubt  Moondyne is being well paid each week for his work in Wikipedia by the Governments and other powerful people and organisations in Perth, Western Australia, like the West Australian Newspaper Group, that run and publish the West Austraolian newspaper in Perth, Western Australia.
 However Wikipedia does not pay any of its editors and/or writers for any of the information in Wikipedia.  Thus there is no doubt  Moondyne is being well paid each week for his work in Wikipedia by the Governments and/or other powerful people and/or organisations in Perth, Western Australia,

like the West Australian Newspaper Group, that run and publish the powerful West Australian newspaper in Perth, Western Australia.
Moondyne is obviously being well paid for his work editing and writing aricles each week for Wikipedia.

Moondyne, whoever his real name is,

has obviously been a previous editor and/or senior experienced journalist for

the West Australian Government, and/or the West Australian Newspaper and/or the Daily/Weekend News/ and/or the Sunday Times newspaper,

which are the only publishing-newspaper companies that have even been in existence in Western Australia,

where Moondyne could have gained the

knowledge and experience he has as a senior journalist and editor of Wikipedia and

in effect Moondyne has become the self appointed Western Australian editor of Wikipedia.
Moondye makes a point of removing any new articles and or edits

that concern the history, events, people , events, organsisations, sports, crime, music, televsion, newspapers. etc

of and/or about Western Austalia and or West Ausyralians that is not inline with what his employers are happy with.

 

Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Penright/Triumph Of Truth (Who Is Watching The Watchers?)

• Delete per the giant brick-o-text immediately above, which in itself contains any number of things that Wikipedia is not and cannot ever be, plus the existing discussion of this material at DRV. If the eventual intention is to embody such allegations in a Wikipedia article, it's best to cut those intentions off sooner rather than later, and that means deletion. — Gavia immer (talk) 05:45, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
• Keep Userspace is not mainspace, and many of the strictures on mainspace are not applicable here. Especially since userfication of articles which do not belong in mainspace does not mean that they are instantly deletable from userspace - that is why userfication exists. Collect (talk) 10:55, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
• Delete This rant has no chance of ever becoming an article. I suggest that Penright look into getting web hosting of his own, and save a copy of his work to his hard disk in the mean time, if he hasn't already done so. Gigs (talk) 12:48, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

• Comment - It doesn't really matter if this is kept or deleted, honestly, it is just a TL;DR user-space entry right now. Set aside the poor article-writing for a moment, what this user desperately needs is some seriously rudimentary instruction in basic communication/interaction with other users. I cannot tell what they are trying to accomplish with this unformatted repetitive cut n paste wall. Tarc (talk) 12:53, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

• Delete Userification is justified for subjects that are borderline notable or articles that are insufficiently sourced but possibly notable. However userspace is not the place to host unsourced conspiracy theories and wild allegations against all and sundry, like this "article". I recommend that anyone !voting to retain this text, spend some time to read through it; a representative sample:

yet his late father before he died, had used his Federal Police Connections and overall creditability in the business world in Perth Western Australia, to destroy Stephen Carew-Reid's public image, as a way of controlling Stephen Carew-Reid and the millions Stephen Carew-Reid built up in the two family companies, Carew Corporation Pty Ltd and Lloyd McKennal International Co Pty Ltd, from almost nothing, effectively from the grave through the help of the Public Trustee of Western Australia, who was as Stephen Carew-Reid puts it in his books, "were prepared to play the game"

The article always be developed offline, till sourcing, notability and fringe issues are taken care of. Abecedare (talk) 15:19, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Summary of debate of whether User:Penright/Triumph Of Truth (Who Is Watching The Watchers?) 

should stay or go


1.Hi I am using Penright's log in editing name hear and I have changed my name by officially and for Wikipedia I which to be known as Robert Jamison, being my writing name.

2. I have been involved with investigating the evidence, allegations and claims made in the seven series of books called The Triumph Of Truth (Who Is Watching The Watchers?), written by Stephen Carew-Reid and published by the Australian Weekend News Publishing Group, in the early 1990's, that were originally purchased by the Western Australian Resource and Reference Library known in Wikipedia as the J S Battye Library, since the 1980's.

3. I was originally a senior Western Australian Police Officer, who resigned from the Western Australian Police Force, after I could not any more live with the deeply rooted, entrenched and endemic corruption in the police, prison, courts, legal fraternity, the law and prosecution sections of the Western Australian Community.
4. I have officially changed my name with the help and assistance of the internal affairs of the Western Australian Police Service and the Australian Federal Police Service, after agreeing to provide evidence of corruption amongst the Western Australian, other Australian State Police Services and also amongst the Australian Federal Police.
5. I have changed my name officially because of fears of the physical safety of my family, friends and myself as a result of my providing evidence again corrupt members of the police.
6. I am now under Australian Federal Police Witness Protection and I am still involved with the research, investigations and enquires allegations and claims made in the seven series of books called The Triumph Of Truth (Who Is Watching The Watchers?), written by Stephen Carew-Reid and published by the Australian Weekend News Publishing Group, in the early 1990's, .
7. As far as the entry of Moondyne coming into the debate, I have now completed research internally in Wikipedia and elsewhere and it seems that a number of factors should be considered as far as whether Moondyne should be allowed to enter the debate,
and whether his vote as to deletion and/or non deletion of User:Penright/Triumph Of Truth (Who Is Watching The Watchers?) should be allowed to effect the end decision by Wikipedia as to whether to delete and/or not delete User:Penright/Triumph Of Truth (Who Is Watching The Watchers?) from Wikipedia: (a)the USAWeekendNews.com website has wrongly or rightly indicated that Moondyne would have obvious reasons to have a bias for various reasons, as explained by the USAWeeklyNews.com website, in any voting for the deletion of User:Penright/Triumph Of Truth (Who Is Watching The Watchers?),
as Moondyne has done already, (b) I make no comment on the validity of reason provided by USAWeeklyNews.com, however, the mere fact that the allegations have been made, it would only then be appropriate for the administration of Wikipedia to rule that Moondyne's vote and comments, to urgently and forcefully push for the immediate deletion of User:Penright/Triumph Of Truth (Who Is Watching The Watchers?),
not be counted in the final decision making process of whether to delete or not delete deletion User:Penright/Triumph Of Truth (Who Is Watching The Watchers?) from Wikipedia User Space, (c) I do note however in terms of pure logic I have learned to use after years of being a senior police officer, in analysing the comments made by USAWeeklyNews.com, the evidence seems to indicate that Moondyne appears to have be involved on a very full time basis for a number of years with others helping him, such as Hesperian See:(cur) (prev) 00:21, 10 May 2006 Hesperian (talk | contribs) (?Re: Kamin) (undo) (cur) (prev) 00:19, 10 May 2006 Hesperian (talk | contribs) (undo) (cur) (prev) 03:15, 9 May 2006 Hesperian (talk | contribs) (?Wittenoom) (undo) (cur) (prev) 03:14, 9 May 2006 Hesperian (talk | contribs) (undo) (cur) (prev) 02:21, 9 May 2006 Hesperian (talk | contribs) (?Re: Kamin) (undo) (cur) (prev) 02:21, 9 May 2006 Hesperian (talk | contribs) (undo) (cur) (prev) 01:55, 9 May 2006 Hesperian (talk | contribs) (replay and revert abuse) (undo) (cur) (prev) 01:51, 9 May 2006 Michael Kamins (talk | contribs) (undo) (cur) (prev) 00:44, 9 May 2006 Hesperian (talk | contribs) (Wittenoom) (undo) (cur) (prev) 04:29, 8 May 2006 Sumple (talk | contribs) m (Elise Chen) (undo) (cur) (prev) 21:06, 7 May 2006 MiszaBot (talk | contribs) (Esperanza Newsletter, Issue #3) (undo) (cur) (prev) 03:45, 5 May 2006 Hesperian (talk | contribs) (undo) (cur) (prev) 03:37, 5 May 2006 Hesperian (talk | contribs) (undo) (cur) (prev) 03:20, 5 May 2006 Hesperian (talk | contribs) (undo) (cur) (prev) 03:20, 5 May 2006
Hesperian (talk | contribs) (undo) (cur) (prev) 03:18, 5 May 2006 Hesperian (talk | contribs) (undo) sited at http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php title=User_talk:Moondyne&dir=prev&action=history)on research, solely on editing and writing articles that concern Western Australia, one way or another. (d) I ALSO note the following record and comment by YellowMonkey on Moondyne's history contribution files (The YellowMonkey strongly condemns paid editing for businessmen as inherently un-NPOVable. Functionaries should not be able to do it.(taken from Moondyne see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:YellowMonkey (cur) (prev) 08:18, 3 May 2006 YellowMonkey (talk | contribs) (?Boy Charlton: ACOTW) (undo)(cur) (prev) 01:51, 3 May 2006 YellowMonkey (talk | contribs) (?Template:Did you know: fix-up medal citation) (undo)(cur) (prev) 01:50, 3 May 2006 YellowMonkey (talk | contribs) (?Template:Did you know: DYK medal) (undo)) So the fact that the logic says that as Moondyne and User_talk:Hesperian appear to have been working closely together on a full time as paid contributors and editors of Wikipedia of the last few years and also appear to be the best of friends on a personal and business level who both appear to have lived in Western Australia for many years and just mainly work together writing and editing Wikipedia Articles concerning places, people, events, the law, courts, sports, music, entertainment, media, film etc in Western Australia and if fact seem to be in an unofficial control of any article that is origanlly written and/or edited about any subject concerning Western Australia. This thought pattern is backup by the fact that in the last few weeks I tried to edit two aricles concerning western Australian Affairs, that is Daily_News_(Perth,_Western_Australia) andList_of_newspapers_published_in_Western_Australia, and on both occasions the edits have been reversed within minutes of them being placed on Wikipedia by me. (e) the language, words and comments that were made by both Moondyne and User_talk:Hesperian about my edits of these articles and the edits by User_talk:Penright on his articleUser:Penright/Triumph Of Truth (Who Is Watching The Watchers?) have been clearly
wrongful and unnecessary against new editors of Wikipedia that are just learning the ropes in a very complex set of rules, guidelines and regulations and these comments such as " unrelated spam" byMoondyne and "unverifiable paranoid-delusional ramblings" by User_talk:Hesperian seem to be to be in clear breach of the Wikipedia guidelines as to the way use Wiki editors are meant to be treated and spoken to, and have warranted the most strongest response in return, Even thouhgh I fully agree with in principle with User:Vicenarian comments when she gives here reason for changing her decision form not to delete to delete because of what she says "Upon reading the wall of text below and the comments above and below, I see what amounts to several personal attacks against Wikipedia editors. This is not acceptable. There is precedent for removing WP:NPA material from userspace despite the wide-latitude we usually give. I thus switch to delete." , "the personal attacks on editors" as she calls them, have only been in response of serious and wrongful personal attacks on new Wiki editors that were completely unwarranted and clearly outside Wiki Guidelines, and the these personal attacks were only a response to personal attacks on two new Wiki Editors, and anyway a full apology if provided to put an end to that as a reason forUser:Vicenarianchanging her mind from not to deleteItalic text to delete.Italic text
6. the heated discussions as the have become on this Strike-through text http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/User:Penright/Triumph_Of_Truth_(Who_Is_Watching_The_Watchers%3F)&action=edit
page havingnothing to do with what will end up in the finished article on User:Penright/Triumph Of Truth (Who Is Watching The Watchers?) before it is represented to the to the Deletyion Review Committe, when the artilce in final finished after a planned consulting with another experienced editor that User:Penright knows personally in the USA.
7. I also note that while it is useful to have these current discussions, in fact any open discussions and debate on nay matter is healthly, no matter how heated and emotional it may get at times, the current process of attempted deletion of User:Penright/Triumph Of Truth (Who Is Watching The Watchers?) which even though officially was initiated by User_talk:Hesperian, I have been a police officer for too long no to have the opinion (no offence intended), that it was Moondyne that asked User_talk:Hesperian to do him a favour by putting in the news initiation of deletion discussions, when in normality and fairness, such discussions and deletion decisions should be restricted to the original Deletion Review Committee that ruled on the moving the original Triumph_Of_Truth_(Who_S_Watching_The_Watchers?) artilce to userspace ot give as much time as needed by User:Penright to finish editing User:Penright/Triumph Of Truth (Who Is Watching The Watchers?) before it was represented back to the Deletion Review Committee for their decisions of what to do with it next. The current attempts to set up new "a back door deletion committee that is stacked with people that seem to have a personal vested interest in the outcome", rather than a Deletion Review Committee that was originally picked at random with no prior knowledge of the matter, could be considered as a wrongful attempt by bypass the the original Deletion Review Committee's decision.
8. I also make the comment that the all issues involved have to be separated separated and not all bundled into one so we can all make sense of the debate. Issue One: Whether the extreme contraversial nature of the facts surrounding the article on User:Penright/Triumph Of Truth (Who Is Watching The Watchers?) which clearly involves seven books that have no doubt been written, with copies having been sold to the J S Battye Library,having been advertised in the West Australian Newspaper for sale for a number of weeks by the Weekend News Publishing Group, the publishers of the books called The Triumph Of Truth (Who Is Watching The Watchers?). These facts are easily verifiable by searching a copy of the West Australian Newspaper the micro fish at the J S Battye Library and a statement from the librarian in the J S Battye Library that originally ordered and paid for the books, as well as I can provide a copy of the receipt form the library that I was given back in the 1990's that confirms that purchased these books called The Triumph Of Truth (Who Is Watching The Watchers?) published by the Australian Weekend News Publishing group under their newspaper, magazine and book publishing masthead the Weekend News, which was later changed to the Australian Weekend News.Wikipedia has to decide if the contraversial nature of these books is an issue that will stop them having an article p;lace don Wikipedia about them, what was said in them and the cercumstances of these being destroyed by the J S Battye Library, and later on in 2005, the original manuscripts for these books take by the Queensland polcie form a home iat 6 EarL Court, Tallai, Gold Coast, Queensland. There is a copy of the original receipt available that I have personally seen, signed by Senior Detective Gregory Stormont for an on behalf of the Queensland Police for the removal of the books. That issue seems to already have been adjudicated by, wrongly or rightly, by the original Deletion Review Committee's decision allow User:Penright to move the article to Wiki User Space and have as much time as he needs to work on the article to get it into shape for bringing back to the original Deletion Review Committee for further checking and decisions to me made about the article. The only thing left to decide, debate and discuss is the actual wording, grammar, layout, set out etc of the final article and that the final article in accordance of the publishing rules for Wikipedia Main Space. I do believe that the proper place and forum for sorting out these last set of issues as to the final format and working of the final edit of the article is the the original Deletion Review Committee,
not a back door committee set up and consisting of some of Wiki Editors those that seem to have a a personal, business and/or other interest at stake in having User:Penright/Triumph Of Truth (Who Is Watching The Watchers?) immediately deleted so it never can go back to the original Deletion Review Committee for further checking and decisions to me made about the article. This is like making an appeal to a hight court, and just because the higher court make recommendations and orders that does not suit parties that have a personal interest in the matter, that they the set up another alternative appeals court and bypass the one that the issue is already being adjudicated by, stacked with adjudicatiors that have a personal interest in the matter.
9. I woould appreciate your sensible thoughts and view to what I have said here and please do not take any personal offence as to anything I have said, it has all been in aide of trying to get the debate and discussion back onto an unemmotial and not attacking mode.Penright (talk) 15:58, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Many thanks User:Abecedare for our valuable contribution to User:Penright/Triumph Of Truth (Who Is Watching The Watchers?)
Many thanks User:Abecedare for our valuable contribution to the editing of User:Penright/Triumph Of Truth (Who Is Watching The Watchers?), the sentence that you suggest is in appropriate for inclusion on a Wikipedia Main Space Page has been edited out according to your wished and suggestion. that is the sentence :

yet his late father before he died, had used his Federal Police Connections and overall creditability in the business world in Perth Western Australia, to destroy Stephen Carew-Reid's public image, as a way of controlling Stephen Carew-Reid and the millions Stephen Carew-Reid built up in the two family companies, Carew Corporation Pty Ltd and Lloyd McKennal International Co Pty Ltd, from almost nothing, effectively from the grave through the help of the Public Trustee of Western Australia, who was as Stephen Carew-Reid puts it in his books, "were prepared to play the game"

. Just for the record, this quote taken from notes that were taken from reading the original books when they still in the J S Battye Library, and the original books where the source for that statement. The quote was edited into the draft article of User:Penright/Triumph Of Truth (Who Is Watching The Watchers?) to explain to those his reading the article as to why the original one paragraph Writ was issued in 1986 in the Supreme Court of Western Australia by Stephen Carew-Reid against the Public Trustee of Western Australia.
The mere fact there is now Wiki editors reading this draft article in user space, and making comments and suggestions as to what should be included in the article and what not should be included, in another good reason why this very sensitive article about the most contraversial subject and matter in the history of the law, the courts, society, public trustee, police, business, media, literature that ever existed, should be developed on-line in User Space were hundreds of thousands of editors worldwide can be allowed to make suggestions,ideas etc as edits that should be made to this article in User Space called User:Penright/Triumph Of Truth (Who Is Watching The Watchers?), before it is re-submitted to the original Deletion Review Committee for further checking and decisions to me made about the article.
I suppose the main factual points of the article are that the books were written, about a particular contraversial subject matter, that was so contraversial that those that were written about in the books, decided to use their influence and power in the Western Australian Crown Law Office and the Queensland Police Service to have all copies and manuscripts of these books destroyed and/or removed and destroyed, from where ever they could be could be found.
The places they were found was in the J S Battye Library
having been purchased by the J S Battye Library with public money, and the original manuscripts removed from 6 Earl Court, Tallai, Queensland by the Queensland Police. Thee facts are clear and undisputed and provable, and not challenged by anyone. How the article is worded to be an unbiased account of all this it up to as many Wikipedians editors that are interested to help edit this article that is part if the history of Western Australia. the rest if the article talks about the authors well know and notable family (alive and deceased which include:

1. his brother Lloyd Carew-Reid who has become very notable in his fight for justice in New York,
his sister Pippen Drysdale who has become an internationally acclaimed artist-potter,


3. his brother Wayne Carew-Reid, who is a well known and notable business and sport person living in Western Australia, and

Stephen Carew-Reid's great grand father, Sir Edgar Bertram Mackennal, (1863-1931) was the most significant Australian Sculpture of the nineteenth and early twentieth centuries.

Born in Melbourne in 1863, the son of Scottish immigrant and architectural sculptor J. S. Mackennal, Bertram Mackennal studied at the National Gallery Schools in Melbourne (1878-1882) before he departed for Europe in 1882, seeking further training and greater opportunities for sculptural success., there seems no doubt in due course there will be Wiki Articles created on both Lloyd Carew-Reid and Pippen Drysdale), the creation of some cartoon characters for the books and for the use in the Weekend News which later became the Australian Weekend News newspaper and the author started publishing from 1986 onwards as an Western Australian Newspaper as the Weekend News, and then as an Australia wide newspaper as the Australian Weekend News, as a continuation of the original Weekend News published for many years by the West Australian Newspaper Group, and form 1990 on as the cointunuation of the old Daily_News_(Perth,_Western_Australia. It article also talk about Stephen Carew-Reid's connection with another very notable Western Australian, the internationally acclaimed cartoonist, Paul Rigby, and advices, support and help he gave to Stephen Carew-Reid's endevours to continuation the publication of the original Weekend News and [Daily_News_(Perth,_Western_Australia]] under a new newspaper masthead Australian Weekend NewsMany thanks for listening and for you valuable contribution, thought and ideas to this matter.Penright (talk) 17:09, 3 August 2009 (UTC)